Total Members Voted: 3
Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM
That's what negotiations are for, aren't they.Look, didn't you ever imagine that one great function of amassing draft picks is to be able to trade for a star?We are not dismantling the team! We are DEEP! And that puts us in a good place to make a trade like this.
Danny, it has been nice talking to you. Thank you for helping us with an outsiders perspective on the value of our players. Buhbye now. Good luck moving your boy.
Quote from: facilitatorn on July 15, 2022, 01:58:40 PMIf we had not signed Brunson, a big package for Mitchell would make more sense. Two high use midgets you have to keep on the floor gets you a team that never makes it past the first round. Wait till January when we can get him for Mitch, Evan and two or three firsts. If we miss out entirely we are still better off than if we agree to the current terms offered by Utah.I understand the spiritual angst of Knicks fans, and this compulsion to get...STARS.The hesitancy of STARS to come to MSG. Hence my obsession with growing our own, and not engaging in the wily nily, AALLL INnnnn at any cost pursuit of a star. I love Donovan Mitchell, but the trades some Knicks fans and the media would be eager to sign off on are...FUCKING RECKLESS And after we squander all of our draft capital and younguns on Donovan Mitchell, where are the resources to strike when that all elusive SECOND STAR comes available, hmmmm. Not too likley given the state of the CBA, and the advantages and incentivizing of the hometown team to reup their talent. I mean I have a friend, well, HAD a friend, he kinda left earth orbit, who used to be on this forum, who made a bet with me, that I shall not hold him to, that Zion was coming to the Knicks. I thought then, that this was masturbatory twaddle. He also assured me that the Knicks had no long term interest in our former #36 pick, and would look to trade Mitchell. They might yet, but instead rewarded him for his work, and MR in turn, took the hometown offer to remain with and extend the bond he had developed with Team MATES. We are going to be debating this ad infinitum. But look at how Phoenix and DeAndre Ayton played out. Durant wants to play there?Suns are not trading Booker. Hell, they are not even going to trade Bridges. As some scribe noted, teams have made their offers for Durant, and beyond THAT, they are going to be standing PAT. Nets wanted Scottie Barnes out of Toronto. Probably asked about Butler and Bam from Miami. Irving? Big BLUFF.No one is going to risk the resources to bring him on. The Lakers. It's Westbrook for Irving or nightynight, and that would have a nasty impact on the Nyets luxury tax situation. The Knicks are going to out wait the Jazz, until all the bids have come in. Think Pat Riley and Miami would offer up a package like Ainge is trying to leverage out of the "desperate" Knicks? The fuck he would, even is he could. And the two #1 picks he might be prepared to pony up are not going to amount to much. The Knicks have a number of connections to Donovan. The Leon Rose/CAA connection. The Coach Johnny Bryant connection. The hometown boy makes good narrative DM is definitely on their radar. I'm not particularly concerned about having a pair of 6'1" guards in the backcourt. Not ideal defensively but hey, shot makers, shot creators, that draw coverage and read the floor.The Detroit Backcourt was not big.Isiah Thomas, 6'1"Vinnie Johnson, 6'2"Joe Dumars, 6'3" So these "negotiations" are going to drag on, possibly all summer, because as prudent, and calculating and transactional as the Knicks have been in playing the long game, I do not see them, pulling a Donnie Douche and caving in to the demands of an aggressive GM, as they did with Masai Ujiri, when he raped the Knicks on the Melo return, and again on the Bargnani heist. Yes, Elephant, those assets were squirrled away for future deals, and the Knicks have traded up out and around our first rounders for three seasons and counting, for cap space and future useage, when they adjudged the prospects available not to be commensurate with what draft capital might hold int he future. Almost as if they had...a...PLAN. And we still ended up with Quickley and Grimes. And Reddish. The willingness of many of my Brothers In Knicks Suffering to pony up a Hershel Walker scaled deal for Donovan Mitchell, my love for DM notwithstanding, is truly sad. Yes, he is a worthy target, and would be one hell of an addition. But not at any motherfucking price. THe notion that we have to match or exceed the Wolves offer for Rudy Gobert is a load of crap. My last word...more or less.
If we had not signed Brunson, a big package for Mitchell would make more sense. Two high use midgets you have to keep on the floor gets you a team that never makes it past the first round. Wait till January when we can get him for Mitch, Evan and two or three firsts. If we miss out entirely we are still better off than if we agree to the current terms offered by Utah.
Quote from: Chip on July 15, 2022, 02:58:38 PM... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...My last word...more or less. Who among your "brethren" has proposed a deal you dont like - and what was it?
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Quote from: chamAAcocartero8 on July 15, 2022, 08:56:41 PMQuote from: Chip on July 15, 2022, 02:58:38 PM... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...My last word...more or less. Who among your "brethren" has proposed a deal you dont like - and what was it?Chip, it looks like ChamAAco is DESPERATE for a conversation with you.He really, really, REALLY wants your attention.
Quote from: kidcarter8 on July 15, 2022, 11:51:22 AMThoseare our last 4 premium draft picks.With Toronto and Durant (not Kobe? Donovan is certainly not Kevin) the talk was of Barnes (1 pick) being in it and deal was OFF due to that. They want FOUR? I dont think they do. I think that is PRESS DROPPINGS being spit at by Chi and the masses.2 of the 4 and picks? And inclusive of Grimes or Toppin? Sure. More realistic.Lets hope Barrett's 13.7 PER nears 16 this year if we dont get Mitchell.The MASSES?Well now, Comrade Kiid, CBS/NBA, for what it's worth.https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-backed-away-from-jazzs-huge-request-that-included-six-draft-picks/
Thoseare our last 4 premium draft picks.With Toronto and Durant (not Kobe? Donovan is certainly not Kevin) the talk was of Barnes (1 pick) being in it and deal was OFF due to that. They want FOUR? I dont think they do. I think that is PRESS DROPPINGS being spit at by Chi and the masses.2 of the 4 and picks? And inclusive of Grimes or Toppin? Sure. More realistic.Lets hope Barrett's 13.7 PER nears 16 this year if we dont get Mitchell.
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