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Re: Knicks
« Reply #24570 on: August 12, 2022, 11:54:10 AM »

History of San Antonio is fascinating, actually. 

In mist of a 6 win season they deal Cheeks for Strickland (L Brown said to be one of the only coaches that liked Rod) - and they win 55 again, then fall to 47 wins - and DONT KEEP ROD as a free agent.

Moving to PG by committee SA then runs off 57, 62 and 59 win seasons prior to their tank year when they got Timmy D, with Pop coming down from exec offices to take the bench for the last 64 games..

Immediately back to 56 wins the following season, then 37-13 and away they went......

Back to the ubertalented RS...

Contribution from Strickland was to show them what wasnt working.  Rod did OK in Portland but lost 4 consecutive years in first round.  Moved on to WAS and led league  in assists at age 31, making second team All NBA. Lost again in first round - and didnt appear in playoffs the three subsequent WIZ years.

STRICKLAND WAS 1-11 IN PLAYOFF SERIES, the one win being the 3-gamer vs Philly his rookie year - before we lost the CHI in 6 (Mark Jax played 41 of the 48 Game 6 minutes.  Stricks got just 12 minutes per game over the 2 series - shooting 22/49, 1-1 on 3s, 9-17 from line)
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #24571 on: August 12, 2022, 12:18:25 PM »

None of the guys the Knicks drafted recently is as good as Donovan Mitchell. 
He has more All-Star nods than the 30 year group does combined.

So Elephant's point stands.


Chip also makes the point of not overspending which is never a bad thing.
But I take some issue with "waiting til the fruit is ripe to make a deal" as we won't know if there will be any deal to be had and don't know when such ripeness wil happen. If ever.

Are we willing to watch Mitchell get traded to another team, content that we didn't overpay?  This is the crux of it.   

Personally, I am ok with it.  But i can understand the desire to get Mitchel at (nearly) any cost.


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« Reply #24572 on: August 12, 2022, 12:44:37 PM »

None of the guys the Knicks drafted recently is as good as Donovan Mitchell. 
He has more All-Star nods than the 30 year group does combined.

So Elephant's point stands.


Chip also makes the point of not overspending which is never a bad thing.
But I take some issue with "waiting til the fruit is ripe to make a deal" as we won't know if there will be any deal to be had and don't know when such ripeness wil happen. If ever.

Are we willing to watch Mitchell get traded to another team, content that we didn't overpay?  This is the crux of it.   

Personally, I am ok with it.  But i can understand the desire to get Mitchel at (nearly) any cost.




At ANY Cost?

Not an optimum bargaining posture. 
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« Reply #24573 on: August 12, 2022, 01:39:20 PM »

The question remains.

Why does Danny want to trade him?
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Re: The Question
« Reply #24574 on: August 12, 2022, 02:24:20 PM »

The question remains.

Why does Danny want to trade him?

Indeed. 

WHY

Why DOES Danny WANT TO TRADE HIM?

Rudy Gobert just turned 30. 

Donovan Mitchell turns 26 in September. 

Seems like a nice piece to build around. 
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« Reply #24575 on: August 12, 2022, 02:44:03 PM »

It is hard to build a defense around a guy who is barely six-one who is not particularly quick or dialed in on that end.
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« Reply #24576 on: August 12, 2022, 04:55:50 PM »

It is hard to build a defense around a guy who is barely six-one who is not particularly quick or dialed in on that end.

Jesus.
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Re: The Question
« Reply #24577 on: August 12, 2022, 04:58:39 PM »

The question remains.

Why does Danny want to trade him?

Indeed. 

WHY

Why DOES Danny WANT TO TRADE HIM?

Rudy Gobert just turned 30. 

Donovan Mitchell turns 26 in September. 

Seems like a nice piece to build around.

I thought that question was answered recently.

They trade him because it's clear he won't be staying around after his contract is up.

(I know this may come as a shock to all those lovers of Salt Lake City nightlife).
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #24578 on: August 12, 2022, 05:37:52 PM »

It is hard to build a defense around a guy who is barely six-one who is not particularly quick or dialed in on that end.

Jesus.

Was six-four in sandals with handles that could part seas. He would throw up prayers and nine out of ten times they would go in.

DM is not that player, bless his heart.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #24579 on: August 12, 2022, 05:39:41 PM »

Also there are plenty of homeless in SLC. Jesus would play there, rendering into Cesar what is Cesars, over the course of his career. 
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« Reply #24580 on: August 12, 2022, 06:01:25 PM »

It is hard to build a defense around a guy who is barely six-one who is not particularly quick or dialed in on that end.

Jesus.

My lack of enthusiasm for an all-in trade is not predicated on Donovan's talent level. 

No, he ain't the greatest defender in the world.  But while not a great defender, he is surely a game one, with a 6'11" wingspan.  Brunson is not the greatest defender in the world, either, which is why, Brother E, I do not share your ennui for Brother Grimes, who is a muscular 6'5", and who really gets into your body on the defensive end. 

And as for being 6'1", like Brunson, he has a tree trunk stout body, and while JB is 195, DM is 215. 

Defense?  Sometimes the best defense is a good offense, and DM really forces the action, particularly getting to the hoop and in the midrange.  And he gets to the line and facilitates.

Mitchell [2021-22]

67 games at 33.8 mpg

9.2 total makes out of 20.5 attempts for a .448%   
3.5 3-pt makes out of 9.8 attempts for a .355%
5.7 2-pt nakes out of 10.8 attempts for a .533%
4.0 FT makes out of 4.7 Attempts for a .853%   
4.2 rebounds
5.3 assists
1.5 steals
3.0 turnovers
25.9 PPG

PRETTY IMPRESSIVE [1.5 steals]

Brunson [2021-22]

79 games    at 31.9 mpg

6.4 makes per 12.8 attempts for a .502 %
1.2 3pt makes per 3.2 attempts for a .373%
5.2 2pt makes per 9.6 attempts for a .545%
2.3 FTS made per 2.7 attempts for a .840%   
3.9 rebounds
4.8 assists
0.8 steals
1.6 turnovers
16.3 PPG

Purely from a statistical standpoint, Brunson is more efficient on roughly 8 attempts less per game.  Expect the attempts to spike. 

In any event, there seems to be a certain REDUNDANCY having both Brunson AND Mitchell as our starting guards.

Now having a second guard who can score at such a clip as DM, while handing out comprable assists to Brunson [5.3 vs 4.8].  However, 20.8 attempts per game is pretty ball dominant. 

Now we disagree on the upside of Grimes and Quickley, but both have facilitating chops they are working on.  Not at Mitchell stature as we speak, but just saying. 

Now, just for giggles, because in no WayShapeForm am I suggesting that Fournier is vaguely in Mitchell's class. 

Still

Fournier

80 games at 29.5 mpg   

5.0 makes in 12.1 takes for a .417%
3.0 3pt makes for 7.7 takes for a .389%
2.0 2pt makes for 4.3 takes at a .465% clip
1.0 FT makes for 1.4   makes for a .708%   
2.6 rebounds
2.1 assists
1.0 steal
1.3 turnovers
14.1 ppg

Quickley

78 games at 23.1 mpg

3.6 makes in 9.3 attempts for a .392%
1.8 3 point makes in 5.1 attempts for a .346%
1.9 2 point makes in 4.2 attemtps for a .448%
2.3 FT makes for 2.6 attempts for a  .881%
3.2 rebounds
3.5 assists
0.7 steals
1.3 turnovers
11.3 ppg

Not very efficient, to be sure, though much of that was from the first 2/3 of the season. 

And Grimes was also very up and down, hot and cold, as he was this summer.  Streak shooter, but showed great attack mentality, defensive tenacity and facilitating skills...did I mention he is 6'5" 205, and only 22?  WHY DO YOU THINK AINGE COVETS HIM? 

So?

Would DM makes us better?

Sure would. 

Optimum match to Brunson?

Mmmmm, not really, but not chopped liver, either. 

Worth the price?

DEPENDS ON THE PRICE.

So far?

NO FUCKING SALE, dude. 
 
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« Reply #24581 on: August 12, 2022, 06:04:17 PM »

The strength of Jesus game was not his jumper, though it was respectable, but his crossover and passing skills.  Impeccable. 



Defense?

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #24582 on: August 12, 2022, 06:18:31 PM »

He forced turnovers in the temple.
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« Reply #24583 on: August 12, 2022, 07:15:30 PM »

He forced turnovers in the temple.




Centuries before Bill Russell.

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« Reply #24584 on: August 14, 2022, 12:01:54 PM »

Reliable sources indicate that Danny Ainge is insisting on six #1 draft picks plus Quentin Grimes, Obi Toppin, Immanuel Quickley AND Jacob deGrom in any Donovan Mitchell transaction.



Sounds good to me. 



Be careful what you wish for Knicks fans.



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