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Re: Knicks
« Reply #420 on: August 31, 2018, 05:07:54 AM »

Knix play MIA in London, and likely Kanter can't risk going.
Turkey revoked his passport and have warrant out for his arrest.
He has a US green card, but is essentially stateless until he can qualify for a US passport in 3 years or so.  Not sure what travel docs he would have and can't risk an Interpol warrant awaiting him, and court hassles and such.

Can he go to Toronto?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #421 on: August 31, 2018, 05:17:58 AM »

I think it would depend on which dictators trump was trying to kiss up to that week.

September is right around the corner. JoNo might find himself free of contractual obligations any day now...

We’re not trading Lee to OKC for Singler and Arbines. Singler just got stretched. He’s off their books and out in the wilderness.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #422 on: August 31, 2018, 05:33:52 AM »

I saw last week that OKC saves something like $23M this year (mostly lux tax) by waiving Singler.  And I thought, " Okay, he's gone."
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #423 on: August 31, 2018, 09:25:11 AM »

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The Houston Rockets traded Ryan Anderson and De'Anthony Melton to the Phoenix Suns for Marquese Chriss and Brandon Knight, league sources tell ESPN.

HOU needed a backup PG since CP3 misses some games.
Knight is expensive but not as much as RyAnderson.
Chriss can rebound and run the floor, but doesn't really have a game yet.  Raw.
Looks like HOU saves a few $M as well.

Not earth-shaking but looks like a very solid Ryno dump for HOU.
Adds a backup PG, gets to test drive a young pogo stick PF, save some money.

Not sure I see much point for PHX.
Do they even have a PG now?
(not much point, get it?)
Maybe it's to make up for the year when they had 3.
Ayton and Josh Jackson aren't going to do much without a PG.

I would've traded them Muddy for Chriss (I think).
I'd go with Marquese's bounciness over Vonleh's no offense.
On 2nd thought probably better to have Mud and Vonleh than Chriss.

Meet Elie Okobo

http://www.fiba.basketball/europecup/16-17/news/pau-lacq-orthez-youngster-okobo-turning-heads-in-the-fiba-europe-cup

I think we got the wrong frog.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #424 on: August 31, 2018, 09:31:13 AM »

Gonna get me a Suns hat, I think.

Thinking they may make me some bucks this year.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #425 on: August 31, 2018, 09:53:35 AM »

It would be an accomplishment for the Suns to finish higher than 14th in the conference.
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« Reply #426 on: August 31, 2018, 11:30:18 AM »

Frog, huh. 

Just when it seems that you have bottomed out you reach a new low. 

Go fuck yourself...

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #427 on: August 31, 2018, 12:22:23 PM »

Meet Elie Okobo
I think we got the wrong frog.

Even the article you linked to says he's a combo guard learning the PG position (because he's 6'2").

He was the #31 pick.
Which tells you something.

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Overall: Elie Okobo is  :-\. His ability to score in every way possible (Pull-up, Catch and Shot, Spot up, Drive) along with his court vision, above average athleticism and defensive potential make him really intriguing. If he manages to play with the same motor all the time and become a point guard he could be a really good player in the future.

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Weaknesses: He is not overly explosive ... He doesn't always play with the same aggressiveness ... Does not concentrate as he should at all times ... Has a lot of ups and downs, even within a game ... He is still learning the point guard position because he began his career as an off guard ... Gets sped up and plays too fast at times ... Has problems reading the game ...Turnover prone, his assist/turnover ratio could improve ... He must learn to take over a game when he has to ... He can be a streaky shooter ... He occasionally shows a little hesitation before shooting off the dribble which causes him to lose a split second and allows his opponent to contest his shot ... He can fall in love with his shot and not attack the basket as much as he should ... He settles for a 3-point more times than he should after a big is switched on him ... Shot selection is a question mark because he has the tendency to take contested shots ... Can be impatient when he hasn't taken a shot for a while ... He doen't always drive hard to the basket and go all the way into the paint ... When he attacks the basket he looks too willing to pass rather than finish the play, which leads to turnovers ... Has problems finishing at the rim through contact and in traffic ... Has the habit of telegraphing passes and trying to pass from tough angles ... He should learn to look for the simple play rather than the flashy one ... He must mix it up more on offense and find the balance between his favorite move (step back) and driving to the basket, maybe adding some floaters to his game ... He doesn't go to the free throw line as much as you would expect for a player with his athleticism and talent ... His Pick and Roll game still needs improving, since he has the tendency to look for a shooter rather than the rolling big ... He doesn't always has a low stance on defense, depending too much on his physical tools ... He is having some problems defending the Pick and Roll, looking lost at times ... He stands away from his opponent when he is defending the weak side, something that leads to either a free shot or a rushed and wrong close out by him, which adds pressure to his team ... He might be more than willing to help coming from the weakside, but there are moments when he just freezes and watches a play happen ...

Sounds a fair amount like Franc, except this guy is a scorer and Franc a defender.  But a good deal of the same flaws. (as bolded).
Franc has better size, so more able to play SG or be a genuine combo G.  Okobo at 6'2" needs to become a PG or his career won't go anywhere.

NBADraftnet comparison is Roddy Beaubois who I was kind of high on early.  Super quick and kind of fearless, but not a great shot.  then injuries added up and he never cut down on turnovers, and size limited him when he wasn't able to become a legit NBA PG.

Here's the link if you want to read all the positives on Okobo:
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/elie-okobo

But you don't want to have a 2nd round rook run your team.
Recipe for disaster.
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Re: Cracker Barrell
« Reply #428 on: August 31, 2018, 12:47:40 PM »

Frog, huh. 

Just when it seems that you have bottomed out you reach a new low. 

Go fuck yourself...

Possibly the most likely cause of the term relates to heraldry and here there are two lines of thought. One relates to King Clovis who had three frogs or toads on his heraldic shield and flag, at least he did until he converted to Christianity when he adopted the Fleur-de-lis.

Now as I mentioned earlier, King Clovis converted to Christianity and as part of this the frogs/toads were given the elbow and the Fleurs de Lis was adopted. The French flag then had a blue background with gold fleur-de-lys on it. The ignorant English, not knowing that the fleur-de-lys was supposed to be a flower, though that it represented a gold frog. Hence “frog” became a derogatory term for the French.


meh - you'll live
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #429 on: August 31, 2018, 12:51:00 PM »

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With the loss of Knight, the Suns plan to continue pursuing a trade for a starting-level point guard before the regular season.

Sounds about right . . .
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #430 on: August 31, 2018, 12:51:46 PM »

Meet Elie Okobo
I think we got the wrong frog.

Even the article you linked to says he's a combo guard learning the PG position (because he's 6'2").

He was the #31 pick.
Which tells you something.

NBADraftNet:
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Overall: Elie Okobo is  :-\. His ability to score in every way possible (Pull-up, Catch and Shot, Spot up, Drive) along with his court vision, above average athleticism and defensive potential make him really intriguing. If he manages to play with the same motor all the time and become a point guard he could be a really good player in the future.

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Weaknesses: He is not overly explosive ... He doesn't always play with the same aggressiveness ... Does not concentrate as he should at all times ... Has a lot of ups and downs, even within a game ... He is still learning the point guard position because he began his career as an off guard ... Gets sped up and plays too fast at times ... Has problems reading the game ...Turnover prone, his assist/turnover ratio could improve ... He must learn to take over a game when he has to ... He can be a streaky shooter ... He occasionally shows a little hesitation before shooting off the dribble which causes him to lose a split second and allows his opponent to contest his shot ... He can fall in love with his shot and not attack the basket as much as he should ... He settles for a 3-point more times than he should after a big is switched on him ... Shot selection is a question mark because he has the tendency to take contested shots ... Can be impatient when he hasn't taken a shot for a while ... He doen't always drive hard to the basket and go all the way into the paint ... When he attacks the basket he looks too willing to pass rather than finish the play, which leads to turnovers ... Has problems finishing at the rim through contact and in traffic ... Has the habit of telegraphing passes and trying to pass from tough angles ... He should learn to look for the simple play rather than the flashy one ... He must mix it up more on offense and find the balance between his favorite move (step back) and driving to the basket, maybe adding some floaters to his game ... He doesn't go to the free throw line as much as you would expect for a player with his athleticism and talent ... His Pick and Roll game still needs improving, since he has the tendency to look for a shooter rather than the rolling big ... He doesn't always has a low stance on defense, depending too much on his physical tools ... He is having some problems defending the Pick and Roll, looking lost at times ... He stands away from his opponent when he is defending the weak side, something that leads to either a free shot or a rushed and wrong close out by him, which adds pressure to his team ... He might be more than willing to help coming from the weakside, but there are moments when he just freezes and watches a play happen ...

Sounds a fair amount like Franc, except this guy is a scorer and Franc a defender.  But a good deal of the same flaws. (as bolded).
Franc has better size, so more able to play SG or be a genuine combo G.  Okobo at 6'2" needs to become a PG or his career won't go anywhere.

NBADraftnet comparison is Roddy Beaubois who I was kind of high on early.  Super quick and kind of fearless, but not a great shot.  then injuries added up and he never cut down on turnovers, and size limited him when he wasn't able to become a legit NBA PG.

Here's the link if you want to read all the positives on Okobo:
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/elie-okobo

But you don't want to have a 2nd round rook run your team.
Recipe for disaster.

Thank you, YOUR THOROGHNESS

Canaan is the starter
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #431 on: August 31, 2018, 12:56:00 PM »

I am sure - by the way - you dont mean Ntilikina is better because he is taller or because he was the #8 pick.

You are smarter than that.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #432 on: August 31, 2018, 01:07:40 PM »



Canaan is the starter

.......or maybe a Jarret Jack.....

heh
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #433 on: August 31, 2018, 01:27:05 PM »

from summer league play

Okobo is a true point guard, perhaps forgotten in today’s Steph Curry era of play. He’s effective in ways past the scoring column. He proved that he can run an offense, and he looked like he enjoyed doing so.

For a rookie, Okobo seemed confident in his game. He was vocal and commanding, and his aggressiveness on offense paired with his style of play in reminiscent of another French point guard (Tony Parker, not Frank Ntilikina).

Kokoskov has a history of developing quality point guards, and it’ll be exciting to see what he’s able to do with Elie Okobo. The young Frenchman plays much older than his age of 20.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #434 on: August 31, 2018, 01:44:57 PM »

I am sure - by the way - you dont mean Ntilikina is better because he is taller or because he was the #8 pick.

You are smarter than that.

Height = more able to play SG and more able to be a legit combo guard.  [important since there are doubts about both of them as PG's]

#8 pick v. #31 pick = better prospect.

Pretty self-explanatory really.
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