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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[chipstern]

In last night's Minny V Chicago epic?

Wiggins and Covington were a combined 1-30.

That is not a misprint. 

Oh, and 0-14 from trey. 

Meanwhile Colin Sexton was 14-21 as Cleveland beat Houston, and was 1-3 from trey. 

[thebizneverloses]

whatever it takes to get KD ( if he wants NY) we do.

so please stop talking about keeping anyone but KP. does anyone really care about the rest of the team?

EVERYONE can go if they have to.

If we have KD and KP then plenty of guys will want in.  In fact I think there would be a flood of talent begging to join.

Yes

I also care about lots of guys on this team. Mgmt has done an excellent job finding overlooked talent, and Fiz seems like the right coach. You don't win with even a guy like Durant, let alone get him to pay attention to your team in the first place, if your team isn't attractive. And the Knicks have found talent in all kinds of places:

Dotson, Meech - 2nd round
Burke, Vonleh - scrap heap
Trier - unsigned hype
Mudiay - trade for a guy we weren't keeping 

Even Hezonja is a reclamation of sorts, although I'm of the opinion that there won't be enough run for everyone to make it in New York, and Subpar is the one I'm least invested in.

Maybe these guys are bundled the way Ainge bundled Isaiah (nabbed for a late first rounder) and Crowder (kind of a throw-in in the Rondo deal) along with the Brooklyn pick for Kyrie freaking Irving. Or the way Brand bundled Covington (scrap heap) and Saric (the only good part of the disastrous Vucevic/Iguodala trade that netted them Bynum) to get Jimmy freaking Butler. Or the way Morey bundled Beverley (scrap heap), Sweet Lou, and Montrezl (good drafting) along with a couple other assets for Chris freaking Paul. It's what smart teams do.

But in order to get those A or A+ assets, you have to have some B or B+ assets. We've got a couple. Some will stay, some won't, but all of them matter right now. You should be cheering them on heartily, by the way, because they are actually lots of fun.

[thebizneverloses]

"I’m still a diehard Knicks fan, this is what we go through, I even put us through it."

[thebizneverloses]

Biz, Mudiay is under the 15-16 CBA. He was picked 7th so his QO after this his 4th year is 34.1% more than his current salary of $4,294,480.00 - That comes to $5,756,215.68

I get this from Bkref for the salary numbers and Realgm for the 15-16 rookie scale which would apply. Here are the links

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mudiaem01.html

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2016

At the under 6 million number we’d be nuts to renounce him if he can keep up his recent level of play.

His QO is that figure. But a cap hold is actually different and it is always higher. For a rookie coming off of his fourth year at a salary below the MLE, it is 300% of the salary.

So Mudiay's hold is actually 12.8m, three times his salary this year.

Similarly, Porzingis has a cap hold of 17m, three times his salary this year.

Those cap holds basically count as the equivalent of salaries when calculating cap space until we resign them to a different amount or renounce them.

Burke and Vonleh are on on a minimum salary deals and have small holds, meaning we can sign them last. But, as said before, I will be surprised if we bring back all three of Burke, Mudiay, and Ntilikina to add to Hardaway and Trier, especially given that we might well be drafting a wing.

[kiiidcarter8]

If Mudiay continues to play as I feel he will it will be a tough call whether or not to match offers

I do think the idea posted above - to get him at 2-3 years at cheaper than his hold - is a good one.

3-21, maybe.

I could live with the fallout of the lost cap space - plenty of free agents.

[chipstern]

Yes, that strategy worked like a charm when we surrounded Carmelo with NADA. 

[Kam]

KD would be just another me-first loser who couldn't get it done if he hadn't taken the EZ-Pass to the Finals.

[kiiidcarter8]

Yes, that strategy worked like a charm when we surrounded Carmelo with NADA.

Hardaway is better than Melo was.

And Melo didn't have KP

[chipstern]

KD would be just another me-first loser who couldn't get it done if he hadn't taken the EZ-Pass to the Finals.

Oh, come now.  That's utter bullshit. 

Still, even so great a player as KD will need more than KP and Nagel's jizz to get it done in NY. 

The idea of gutting the team to get anybody. 

Remember how Donnie Douche eviscerated all of our talent for cap space. 

Dumb then.

DUMBER NOW. 

Fizz is actually building a culture and reclaiming "busts."

Mudiay

Vonleh

Burke

Hezonja still on the clock. 

[bodiddley]

Fizz is actually building a culture and reclaiming "busts."
Mudiay
Vonleh
Burke
Hezonja still on the clock.

And you cash some of them in when you can: improve the team, upgrade, see their limits, avoid overpaying, balance the roster, etc.

Vonleh is probably the best because he shows possible 2-way ability and can project as a starter.  Also, defenders get paid less.

Burke looks useful but as a backup.
Who knows with Mud?  Can he ever become consistent?
I'd want to know his habits, and mentality and practices before deciding on him.   And see how the rest of his season unfolds.

Most importantly, Knix need a starting PG.
That's the real conundrum facing this team.
it's fun to have yute and depth, but right now, NYK is courting a rather weak starting 5.

[kiiidcarter8]

Pretty much what I said.  Keep Mudiay if cheap enough, spend on players other than KD.

Could expenditure be on PG?  Sure.

[kiiidcarter8]

C'mon fizzzz

Get Mudy in there

[kiiidcarter8]

12 points 4 assists 19 minutes

[kiiidcarter8]

Now he has been in 4 minutes and hasn't touched the ball

Hero ball by Burke

[carlos123]

Even before the end of this game I’ve decided to become a fully committed POSITIVE PUSSY.

I love this team. Tanking is overrated when winning is so much fun.

GO KNICKS!!!