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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[bodiddley]

Terrible is just a shorthand description.
The Knix had few legit starters.  Didn't have consistent players.  Relied on yute and reclamations.  Which was fine for a development year with the goal of getting a high draft pick.
But you don't win or get to the playoffs with a team like that.  I picked 22 W's before the start, and that was thinking we'd have KZ back the last month or two. Tim for the full year.  And expecting the Knix to foolishly wait too long before embracing tanking.

Fizz gave everyone a chance to play, and start and do what they could do.  Most/many responded.  At least in stretches or in some facets.  Franc got lost in the shuffle and then injured.  Yeah, he's still young, but he was also playing pro ball in Euroland.  Has a lot to work on this Summer to improve his O.

A problem with picking very young guys like Franc and Knox is that it might take them 3 or 4 years until they are ready to develop into solid NBA players, at which point you have to re-sign them before they've proven out.

There are a number of guys I'd likei to see back next year and stick around longer.  But I have only Knox and Mitch as long-term holds.  Both young, showing promise and locked up for a few more years.  Everyone else subject to whatever goes on in FA and the draft and whatever deals might materialize.  Franc as 3rd PG and 5th G is sub-optimal.  So we'll see how that gets resolved.

[bodiddley]

KZ allegations are awfully odd.
This supposedly happened a few hours after the game in which he tore his knee up?  Wouldn't he be in pain?  Wouldn't someone be with him just to make sure he gets home okay.  Wouldn't it be somewhat easy to fend off a guy with one leg?
Stranger things have happened, but maybe she needs to change the date?

[lesterluv]

On its face, seems implausible. Having had serious knee injuries and surgeries can't really imagine.
BUT.
Filled with pain and rage and a good mix of meds and alcohol — think I read he did shots with brother and trainer that night — and if he's not a nice guy or worse (I have no idea),  I guess who really knows.

[bodiddley]

I'm fortunate never to have had a serious knee injury.
OF course, by now I've adapted my game so I rarely drive anymore and don't try to make overly athletic plays.  I remember when I was young(er) and a big oldhead would show up, and invariably they'd have some sort of knee brace on.

I had a weird incident 2 months ago, where I overdid it the week before Chinese New Year, knowing I'd have two weeks off.  (I played 4 hours Tues night and then both TH and FRI for two each).  Woke up Saturday around 3:AM and my knee hurt as though sleeping on my side had pushed it out of joint/alignment somehow.  So I got up, limped out into the garden, and fed all the outdoor cats (5).  Was able to go up and down a ladder-- most are roof cats above the back and side walls.  But was limpy with discomfort.  Came back in and the knee felt like it'd pop with a few gentle swings.  Being tired I thought it'd pop back into place, like I do with my elbow now and then when carrying groceries and it gets awkwardly out of joint/painful feeling.  And I often pop the knee with a few gentle sitting leg bends.

This time, it got ready to pop, then did some bizarre triple pop.  Felt like first behind the knee, then the cap, and then deep in the middle, with a weird feeling of pseudo-pain between pops.  Afterwards, the alignment felt better/right but then my knee felt a bit unstable.  And the next few days when I'd bend it I'd hear gravelly crunching inside.  And I thought I might be farked.  But after two weeks, I played my usual Tuesday night game, moving  a bit carefully.  No problem.  And after a week or two of playing, it seemed fairly stable and almost normal. 

I've kind of forgotten about it now.  Not sure what I did, but at least one of those pops led to some loose material floating about internally.  Cartilage?  Meniscus tear?  It turned out to be minor enough and short-term that I didn't even ask my doctor friends what might have happened in my knee.  Well, they are brain surgeons anyway, but pretty sharp fellas.  Have to say I was a bit worried about the prospect of having to retire form hoops.

[bodiddley]

Speaking of, Wade still looks pretty good.  And nice the Garden treated him well.  Mighty fine career  I was wondering why he wouldn't go another year or two, but didn't realize that he's 37.  Also, he's somewhat in the Melo mold, whereby he can still play some but isn't that much of an asset since his D is lacking and he can't reliably hit 3's.  Though he still is a pretty solid playmaker, which Melo can't claim.  But not clear an old Wade would help a playoff bench much.

Too bad he wasted a year in CHI.  Be better if he had joined DET or WAS (like old Pierce did) or OKC or MIL before they fixed their bench.  That hometown reunion was a bust.  Would have preferred him trying to push a playoff team with a weak bench.  This MIA team is an oddity.  I hope they make the playoffs.  I like Josh Rich a lot.  And Dragic is nice but has had trouble staying healthy.  Sort of a throwback team that plays D and scraps but can't score much.

So with Ginobili up in the rafters, Wade with a handful of games left (and maybe a 1st round), and Vince in his 40's, that generation of SG's is done.  That's a mighty fine trio.  While Kobe and Ray Allen tie in with that generation.   

I've said before that Eric Gordon and Brandon Roy (34 now) were supposed to be the next generation of elite SG's but both succumbed to injuries.  Nice that Gordon has managed a string 2nd (3rd?) act with HOU.

Seemed like there was a 5 or 6 year gap where SG was the weakest position.  With DeRozan trying to break into the elite.  Until the emergence of Harden and Klay and to a lesser extent Beal, Butler.
And the new generation of Donovan Mitch and Devin Book coming on.

[FWK00]

Fizz gave everyone a chance to play, and start and do what they could do.  Most/many responded.  At least in stretches or in some facets.  Franc got lost in the shuffle and then injured.  Yeah, he's still young, but he was also playing pro ball in Euroland.  Has a lot to work on this Summer to improve his O.

For me the litmus test will be how he plays with a more mature lineup that is both trying to win and complementing each other's strengths. I thought there were stretches where is 'O' was just fine but he lost confidence.

Secondly, I'm not sure the complaints about his 'O' continue if he's contributing to a winning Knicks team.

A problem with picking very young guys like Franc and Knox is that it might take them 3 or 4 years until they are ready to develop into solid NBA players, at which point you have to re-sign them before they've proven out.

This is more to the point. I would even say "will" rather than "might". However, if we stock the cupboard with young kids who are talented enough to take a chance on AND have the cap space we have  to bulk up the starting lineup, then resigning these guys when they are entering their prime is fine - MSG can go over the cap to resign guys they have the rights to.  Not necessarily a bad position to be in and pretty much the pattern established by SA and GS.
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There are a number of guys I'd like to see back next year and stick around longer.  But I have only Knox and Mitch as long-term holds.  Both young, showing promise and locked up for a few more years.  Everyone else subject to whatever goes on in FA and the draft and whatever deals might materialize.  Franc as 3rd PG and 5th G is sub-optimal.  So we'll see how that gets resolved.

Assuming a great trade isn't the reason anyone gets traded my long-term keepers would be Frankie, Dotson, Vonleh, and Mitchell.

Of the rest Trier for some reason simply doesn't look like a team ball player to me.  This year, largely playing horse, a number of players scored points but man watching them play was painful.

[facilitatorn]

Seeing Trier adjust defensively and develop a left hand as the season progressed, makes me think you can coach him up, and he can develop into a microwave easily. If the staff is capable of coaching point guards, he should be able to grow into that as well.

I’d add Knox and Trier to the keeper crew of Frank, Dot, Noah, and Mitch.

[PrezIke]

How's that RJ as a top 5 pick looking?

35% FG with 70 assists and 96 turnovers

hmmm

[facilitatorn]

Is Cassius Winston going to be in the draft?

[bodiddley]

Looks like an odd upset day in the NBofA.
OKC lost at Home to DAL.
Spurs lost to Kings in SA (usually SAC blows 4Q leads).
Nugs lost at Home to Wiz.
Bucks lost in ATL.

[bodiddley]

For MIL, Lopez was the only starter who started.
Tim "Down Goes" Frazier played all 53 mins: 20 / 15/ 7 (also 5 turns).
Not bad for a late pick up.  The guy has talent and is feisty.
I've always felt the right team/coach/environment could get a good deal out of him.
Somebody calling himself Bonzie Colson had 15 & 16 on pretty bad shooting.  Started.  41 mins.
Good game to let the bench flex their mucles and get playoff ready.

[bodiddley]

OKC's bench has cratered,
In 20 post-AS games, Shroeder has shot 37% FG and 28 on 3's.
Versus 43% and 36 % the 1st half, when he was a 1-on-1 dynamo.
Never liked his game much, but he's picked a bad time to go all slumpy.  March: 39% and 30%
For the season: 39% and 31% at Home; Road 44% & 36%
Wins: 45% & 38%; Losses: 36% & 29%

[lesterluv]

cause if not, we may end up having to give back some of those lovely first rounders

A day after news broke that Kristaps Porzingis was being investigated by the New York Police Department over a rape allegation, the Mavericks are now disputing what they were and were not told as they negotiated a blockbuster trade for the star.

ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski initially reported Saturday that the New York Knicks informed the Mavericks of the rape allegation, and that the NBA league office was also aware of the situation.

The Dallas Morning News reports that the Mavericks disputed this, saying they were only told of an extortion attempt against the forward during a conference call with league officials to finalize the trade:

"The word that was used was 'extortion,'" one of the sources told The Dallas Morning News on Sunday.

"The word 'rape' was never used, only 'extortion,'" the second source told The News.


https://sports.yahoo.com/kristaps-porzingis-rape-allegations-dallas-mavericks-new-york-knicks-231817050.html

[thebizneverloses]

Do the Knicks have their pg situation solved?

Nope.

Keep an eye on Cassius Winston tonight.

Good call, and you're probably thinking he might be another Monte Morris, but I think Winston is too small to have the impact Morris had.

[bodiddley]

The woman alleges there is a doc KZ signed agreeing to pay $68K (for her brother's college tuition).  News orgs have seen it, and the question seems to be if it is indeed KZ's sig. 
Otherwise, wouldn't DAL ask what the extortion was related to?
Getting odd. 

Chinese TV provided the LAL-NOPe game, the only matchup not involving a playoff team.  Pretty useless.