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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[bambu.]

I simply don't believe she's made this stuff up.

You're a gullible fool.

daily mail uk
"Murders in New York rose 125% in the first 10 days of 2021 compared to the same period in 2020."

tampabay.com
"New York City ends 2020 with 97% jump in shootings."
"New York City recorded more shootings from mid-May through mid-September than in all of 2019".

[facilitatorn]

http://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/26/wall-street-national-debt-462453

Spend big Joe. The people and the markets are with you.

[bambu.]

I'm sorry....zombies?

A colloquial expression from where she hails::

Down Under (song) - Wikipedia
No1 in the US for 4 weeks in Jan 1983.
Sold 2 million copies in the US alone.


"They open with the singer travelling in a fried-out Kombie, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie."

[REDSTATEWARD]

Hope no one chews off their own foot,  reading this...

Just checked to make sure that my phone health code is still Green, and didn't turn Yellow (suspect, need to be tested) or Red (need to be quarantined).

While I can appreciate a society where everyone trades some personal freedom for enhanced outbreak control,  I can also see why this sentence may be chilling to many USA residents who are accustomed to a great deal of personal autonomy and distance from government.   

I rather enjoy having an eleven year old flipphone which has no GPS, doesn't track my web activities or where I've been,  easily deletes any part of my call logs I wish to delete,  and can be left OFF when I'm not using it.   It's also nice to spend cash on many purchases,  such that not everything I buy or use leaves a data trace in some vast globe-spanning network.   It's also quite exciting to know that not everything I do can be turned into a marketable data commodity.   Call me crazy but I still fancy the idea that my life is my own,  that my business is my business and not someone else's fucking business. 

I keep getting this feeling that you might actually revel in the personal freedom and autonomy that are still (if you're willing to work at it) possible in these United States.  If you like where you are at,  cool.   Just bear in mind why many of us consider China one of the most horrible hellholes of them all,  not because you can't have a comfortable existence there,  but because comfort and security are bought at the price of repressive and brutal totalitarian governance that seems to have little regard for individual human life.

I can't fully agree with your take here.  I haven't lived in China but take the last part of your statement (bolded by me) and see if it doesn't sound familiar to certain non-white minorities in the United States.   

I take your point.  It's far from good here,  in many places.   But we still have a democratic constitutional structure that allows us to keep repairing the fucked-up stuff.   China doesn't.  If you've read my posts here,  you know I view the past four years in the USA as a sad regression.   But I also value that I could march with BLM this summer, or write a letter to a newspaper,  or say some choice words in a cafe,  and not find myself in a prison camp.  And, as was the case for more than ninety percent of such demonstrations, the ones too unexciting to get much news space,  I wasn't gassed or shoved back or beaten nor were my fellow marchers.

    Try to imagine a social protest of that scope in China that didn't result in massive detention in reeducation camps, hundreds or even thousands of deaths,  martial law everywhere,  journalists rounded up and shot, and injuries beyond counting from crowd control measures.   Try to imagine the political party that supported the protests then winning the national legislative houses and the executive office.   Hard to picture in the Worker's Paradise.

Well.
Except for:
In America a conservative take gets your charitable non profit organizations denied IRS tax treatment ;
Catholic charities have to go to court to protect constitutional guarantees to freedom of religion;
Sexual “ feelings” triumph over biology ruining women’s sports;
Favored Corporations can censor and deny opinions they disagree with;
Those who express protected speech are “ cancelled” by those in power;
Protests are judged solely by the degree to which they are approved by the ruling class;
And elections only matter if the “ correct” candidates win.


 

[Kam]

I simply don't believe she's made this stuff up.

You're a gullible fool.

daily mail uk
"Murders in New York rose 125% in the first 10 days of 2021 compared to the same period in 2020."

Small sample size. Stop rooting for death sicko.

[Kam]

Hope no one chews off their own foot,  reading this...

Just checked to make sure that my phone health code is still Green, and didn't turn Yellow (suspect, need to be tested) or Red (need to be quarantined).

While I can appreciate a society where everyone trades some personal freedom for enhanced outbreak control,  I can also see why this sentence may be chilling to many USA residents who are accustomed to a great deal of personal autonomy and distance from government.   

I rather enjoy having an eleven year old flipphone which has no GPS, doesn't track my web activities or where I've been,  easily deletes any part of my call logs I wish to delete,  and can be left OFF when I'm not using it.   It's also nice to spend cash on many purchases,  such that not everything I buy or use leaves a data trace in some vast globe-spanning network.   It's also quite exciting to know that not everything I do can be turned into a marketable data commodity.   Call me crazy but I still fancy the idea that my life is my own,  that my business is my business and not someone else's fucking business. 

I keep getting this feeling that you might actually revel in the personal freedom and autonomy that are still (if you're willing to work at it) possible in these United States.  If you like where you are at,  cool.   Just bear in mind why many of us consider China one of the most horrible hellholes of them all,  not because you can't have a comfortable existence there,  but because comfort and security are bought at the price of repressive and brutal totalitarian governance that seems to have little regard for individual human life.

I can't fully agree with your take here.  I haven't lived in China but take the last part of your statement (bolded by me) and see if it doesn't sound familiar to certain non-white minorities in the United States.   

I take your point.  It's far from good here,  in many places.   But we still have a democratic constitutional structure that allows us to keep repairing the fucked-up stuff.   China doesn't.  If you've read my posts here,  you know I view the past four years in the USA as a sad regression.   But I also value that I could march with BLM this summer, or write a letter to a newspaper,  or say some choice words in a cafe,  and not find myself in a prison camp.  And, as was the case for more than ninety percent of such demonstrations, the ones too unexciting to get much news space,  I wasn't gassed or shoved back or beaten nor were my fellow marchers.

    Try to imagine a social protest of that scope in China that didn't result in massive detention in reeducation camps, hundreds or even thousands of deaths,  martial law everywhere,  journalists rounded up and shot, and injuries beyond counting from crowd control measures.   Try to imagine the political party that supported the protests then winning the national legislative houses and the executive office.   Hard to picture in the Worker's Paradise.

Well.
Except for:

Favored Corporations can censor and deny opinions they disagree with;
Those who express protected speech are “ cancelled” by those in power;
Protests are judged solely by the degree to which they are approved by the ruling class;

Those are not government actions.  Those are expressions of first amendment rights.  Barton is right.  We have more freedom of expression.

[Kam]

It's what the protesters wanted..."defund the police".They wouldn't listen, so now NY is what it is.

The NYPD's budget has been reduced by $1 billion while maintaining patrol strength and safety through a combination of savings and shifting responsibilities to other agencies, including:

Uniform and civilian overtime reduction- $352.2 million
Move School Safety Agents from NYPD to DOE - $307.5 million
Cancel July Police Academy class - $55 million
Move School Crossing Guards from NYPD - $42.4 million
Increased revenue from moving 165 TEAs to enforcement - $42 million
Reduce contract and other non-personnel expenses - $12 million
TEA vacancy reduction - $5.4 million
Delay delivery of fleet vehicles - $5 million
Hiring freeze on non-safety positions - $5 million
Move Homeless Engagement Unit from NYPD - $4.5 million
Cancel NYPD FY21 cadet class - $4.2 million


Nothing essential got cancelled.  Maybe the police are just not doing their job as well.  If you need to pay overtime to get adequate protection something is wrong.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Miranda Devine: Criminals take over New York as NYPD funding cut

After months of violent anti-police protests New York’s finest are demoralised and resigning in droves, writes Miranda Devine.

January 26, 2021 - 10:10PM
The Daily Telegraph

Crime and disorder have turned New York into the dystopian Gotham city of Batman fame.

Zombies roam filthy streets and fights and stabbings are commonplace outside the once salubrious hotels that now house thousands of homeless.
The feeling of menace on the streets is familiar to anyone who lived here in the 1980s and 1990s when the city last fell apart.

Graffiti is back on the subway, and so are almost daily reports of someone being shoved into the path of a train.
Bail reform and other soft on crime policies pushed by the despised Mayor Bill de Blasio and Governor Andrew Cuomo, along with pandemic-related jail releases, have led to an explosion of violence on the streets.

As I write, my police scanner app shows that a woman is stabbing a man with a knife nearby, as well as an “assault with weapon” and a “dispute involving gun”.

In the first 24 days of this year, 21 New Yorkers have been murdered, an increase of 75 per cent over the same period last year, reports the NYPD union. A total of 71 New Yorkers have been shot, an increase of 51 per cent.

On Friday, a 26-year-old man got off a bus from Atlanta in downtown Manhattan and immediately was attacked by a gang of about a dozen people in broad daylight.
They beat him, stabbed him in the head and torso and stole his mobile phone, shoes and all his clothes, including his underwear.

The same day, a motorist surrounded and terrorised by teen cyclists who broke the windscreen and smashed every panel of his car as he sat at traffic lights in Midtown last month, complained to police that he “is frustrated there has been little progress in the case”.

Everyone knows there are no longer any consequences for bad behaviour in this city.

After months of violent anti-police protests, which culminated in the city council stripping the NYPD of $1 billion of funding, New York’s finest are demoralised and resigning in droves.

And it is at this exact precarious moment that the New York State Attorney-General Letitia James declared war on the NYPD.

She has sided with anarchist thugs who threw bricks and Molotov cocktails at police and set fire to their squad cars, by filing a law suit last week against the NYPD for what she described as “excessive force against peaceful protesters” last year.

She dismissed the violence of those protests, during which 350 cops were injured, and 450 businesses were destroyed, vandalised or set on fire during one 10-day period, as mere “instances of property damage and injuries to NYPD officers at or near some of these early protests.”

Then she doubled down last week after another riot erupted on Martin Luther King Day near City Hall.

Police Commissioner Dermot Shea blasted the protesters as the “antithesis of Dr King” with their “violence, throwing bottles, breaking property, calling for the death of officers [and] to burn the city down.” Eleven cops were injured in that melee.

But James blamed the NYPD for their “concerning behaviour … As we laid out in our lawsuit, this is a longstanding pattern that must stop.”

That’s a guarantee the crime wave won’t stop.

Miranda Devine A FUCKING IDIOT.

#####

Charming.
Yes, seems like a another clear case of "be careful what you wish for".

Corrected for accuracy.

Any police officer who quits because he or she does not want accountability for their actions should not be a police officer.

More about being demoralised, funding cuts, and an explosion in crime...seems to me.
Overworked, under paid, the job just impossible to do anymore.Too much stress and strain, too much frustration
NY is a blue state.
It's what the protesters wanted..."defund the police".They wouldn't listen, so now NY is what it is.

New York City (if you disregard Staten Island) is intensely blue.  New York State is decidedly less blue. 
I live in New York City.  Unlike Miranda Devine who acts like she knows what she is talking about I have seen the subways for 40 years.
New York isn't a beautiful city.  It isn't a clean city.  It never was those things. 
We actually like grafitti.  We don't like calling the police for little quality-of-life complaints like noise violations.
We enjoy hanging out on our rooftops and having a good time with our friends, safe from police overreach.
We don't want more police.  We want better services.  We want the trains and buses to run on time.  We want businesses to re-open safely.
The police funding has grown enormously in New York disproportionately to the other services. 
We don't need to pay close to $200,000 a year to cops and barely $30,000 to teachers.
Tell Miranda Devine she has no perspective and is picking data points to fit a narrative she wants to sell.

You should watch SCorcese's series on Fran Libewitz and NYC. It's terrific.

[Hamilton Samuels]

The Senate defeated a motion by Rand Paul to declare a pending impeachment trial unconstitutional.
But the vote was 55-45 with 45 republicans supporting the motion.
Paul said he knew the motion would fail but by forcing the roll call vote he hoped to send a clear message that the trial will be a “ clear waste of time”.

The clear message to America is that the GOP is filled with cowardly turds. 

[Kam]

You should watch SCorcese's series on Fran Libewitz and NYC. It's terrific.

Thanks, i've watched the first few episodes.  It's pretty good. 

[LarryBnDC]

Hope no one chews off their own foot,  reading this...

Just checked to make sure that my phone health code is still Green, and didn't turn Yellow (suspect, need to be tested) or Red (need to be quarantined).

While I can appreciate a society where everyone trades some personal freedom for enhanced outbreak control,  I can also see why this sentence may be chilling to many USA residents who are accustomed to a great deal of personal autonomy and distance from government.   

I rather enjoy having an eleven year old flipphone which has no GPS, doesn't track my web activities or where I've been,  easily deletes any part of my call logs I wish to delete,  and can be left OFF when I'm not using it.   It's also nice to spend cash on many purchases,  such that not everything I buy or use leaves a data trace in some vast globe-spanning network.   It's also quite exciting to know that not everything I do can be turned into a marketable data commodity.   Call me crazy but I still fancy the idea that my life is my own,  that my business is my business and not someone else's fucking business. 

I keep getting this feeling that you might actually revel in the personal freedom and autonomy that are still (if you're willing to work at it) possible in these United States.   If you like where you are at,  cool.   Just bear in mind why many of us consider China one of the most horrible hellholes of them all,  not because you can't have a comfortable existence there,  but because comfort and security are bought at the price of repressive and brutal totalitarian governance that seems to have little regard for individual human life.

but because comfort and security are bought at the price of repressive and brutal totalitarian governance that seems to have little regard for individual human life.   



Be it ever so humble there's no place like HOME!

[REDSTATEWARD]

Those are not government actions.  Those are expressions of first amendment rights.  Barton is right.  We have more freedom of expression.

You must not live in America.

[LarryBnDC]

Those are not government actions.  Those are expressions of first amendment rights.  Barton is right.  We have more freedom of expression.

You must not live in America.

You only think you do. You hate America.

[Oilcandide]

I'm sorry....zombies?

A colloquial expression from where she hails::

Down Under (song) - Wikipedia
No1 in the US for 4 weeks in Jan 1983.
Sold 2 million copies in the US alone.


"They open with the singer travelling in a fried-out Kombie, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie."

Zombie,  singular, is a type of MJ in Australia.  I think she was calling drug addicts, generally,  zombies. 

Crime uptick in NYC is probably related to unemployment and stress and disruption from the pandemic.   

[Hamilton Samuels]

Those are not government actions.  Those are expressions of first amendment rights.  Barton is right.  We have more freedom of expression.

You must not live in America.

Stop lying.

"There is truth and there are lies, lies told for power and for profit. And each of us has a duty and a responsibility, as citizens, as Americans, and especially as leaders, leaders who have pledged to honor our Constitution and protect our nation, to defend the truth and defeat the lies."---President Biden