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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[LarryBnDC]

The impeachment trial is probably a bad idea at this point.  Republicans have signaled they are only here to obstruct.  Treat them that way by using reconciliation as much as possible.

Get their votes on the record and then market the hell out of the message the GOP fucked up and fucked YOU over and they care more about Trump than they care about you.

Best thing about selling the truth is when it actually is the truth. Democrats have the receipts.

Americans are going to have to decide if they live on Earth Two or in the reality based community.

[facilitatorn]

It’s better to unify the country against republican sabotage than to knuckle under to fake bipartisanship.

Nailing trump for insurrection and murder is less important than nailing the Congresspeople, Senators, Judges, and fat cats who participated in or supported coups for dummies activity in and around Jan 6th.

[barton]

It's that thing in Game Theory (John Nash stuff)  where if you try to get a group (like the Senate GOP) to all do the right thing,  then it only takes ONE defector to take the whole group with it.  The defector sees a personal advantage in their breaking away,  and then the others can't abide them having that gain.   

[REDSTATEWARD]

It's that thing in Game Theory (John Nash stuff)  where if you try to get a group (like the Senate GOP) to all do the right thing,  then it only takes ONE defector to take the whole group with it.  The defector sees a personal advantage in their breaking away,  and then the others can't abide them having that gain.

Really? LOL!
Of course this assumes the “ right” thing is defined by you.

[LarryBnDC]

It’s better to unify the country against republican sabotage than to knuckle under to fake bipartisanship.

Nailing trump for insurrection and murder is less important than nailing the Congresspeople, Senators, Judges, and fat cats who participated in or supported coups for dummies activity in and around Jan 6th.

[barton]

It's that thing in Game Theory (John Nash stuff)  where if you try to get a group (like the Senate GOP) to all do the right thing,  then it only takes ONE defector to take the whole group with it.  The defector sees a personal advantage in their breaking away,  and then the others can't abide them having that gain.

Really? LOL!
Of course this assumes the “ right” thing is defined by you.

Wrong.  It's defined by a group.      You need to look at game theory.   "Right thing" just indicates some social norm or basic moral principle.  A government, for example, would have a constitution and procedural rules and professional ethics.   

Not really worth discussing unless you have a basic grasp of Nash and GT.   

[Kam]

It’s better to unify the country against republican sabotage than to knuckle under to fake bipartisanship.

Nailing trump for insurrection and murder is less important than nailing the Congresspeople, Senators, Judges, and fat cats who participated in or supported coups for dummies activity in and around Jan 6th.

It's not without a downside though.  You also give them ammunition to fire back with that instead of focusing on legislation Dems are focusing on Trump and it gives Trump another platform to spread the Big Lie.

[LarryBnDC]

It’s better to unify the country against republican sabotage than to knuckle under to fake bipartisanship.

Nailing trump for insurrection and murder is less important than nailing the Congresspeople, Senators, Judges, and fat cats who participated in or supported coups for dummies activity in and around Jan 6th.

It's not without a downside though.  You also give them ammunition to fire back with that instead of focusing on legislation Dems are focusing on Trump and it gives Trump another platform to spread the Big Lie.

They're gonna fire back anyway. They may have ammo but they also have elusive targets. If you fire a lot of shit and don't hit anything...

[LarryBnDC]

[facilitatorn]

It's that thing in Game Theory (John Nash stuff)  where if you try to get a group (like the Senate GOP) to all do the right thing,  then it only takes ONE defector to take the whole group with it.  The defector sees a personal advantage in their breaking away,  and then the others can't abide them having that gain.

Really? LOL!
Of course this assumes the “ right” thing is defined by you.

He’s got the right thing defined correctly, Red which brings us around to the question of what the fuck is wrong with you?

[facilitatorn]

It’s better to unify the country against republican sabotage than to knuckle under to fake bipartisanship.

Nailing trump for insurrection and murder is less important than nailing the Congresspeople, Senators, Judges, and fat cats who participated in or supported coups for dummies activity in and around Jan 6th.

It's not without a downside though.  You also give them ammunition to fire back with that instead of focusing on legislation Dems are focusing on Trump and it gives Trump another platform to spread the Big Lie.

You raise the volume on those issues so that when you nuke the filibuster on  some 70% popular issue, you get effectively no flack for it at all, because it’s layered in by levels to degrees by which so many republicans have been bastards and the degree of their unfolding craven toadiness. They will have shouted themselves hoarse in their victimhood of being unfairly scrutinized as evidence mounds up that their squeaks about losing their minority power as a legislative check will be lost in the echoing cacophony.

[REDSTATEWARD]

It's that thing in Game Theory (John Nash stuff)  where if you try to get a group (like the Senate GOP) to all do the right thing,  then it only takes ONE defector to take the whole group with it.  The defector sees a personal advantage in their breaking away,  and then the others can't abide them having that gain.

Really? LOL!
Of course this assumes the “ right” thing is defined by you.

Wrong.  It's defined by a group.      You need to look at game theory.   "Right thing" just indicates some social norm or basic moral principle.  A government, for example, would have a constitution and procedural rules and professional ethics.   

Not really worth discussing unless you have a basic grasp of Nash and GT.

Ok 
We’re you trying to make a point?
What was it?
It had nothing to do with Nash.
Or even Russell Crowe.

[josh]

The impeachment trial is probably a bad idea at this point.  Republicans have signaled they are only here to obstruct.  Treat them that way by using reconciliation as much as possible.

If Trump represents himself, then the trial is a very good idea.

[josh]

Not really worth discussing unless you have a basic grasp of Nash and GT.

Not worth discussing with Ward at all, because even if he were to grasp the theory, he would deny its applicability and then insist that you don't understand it, not him.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Not really worth discussing unless you have a basic grasp of Nash and GT.

Not worth discussing with Ward at all, because even if he were to grasp the theory, he would deny its applicability and then insist that you don't understand it, not him.

Obviously you don’t.