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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[facilitatorn]

I do not approve of DeSantis’ policy in Florida.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/17/2046438/-Ron-DeSantis-has-a-very-good-reason-to-be-pro-virus-and-it-s-exactly-what-most-people-suspected

[REDSTATEWARD]

Uh-Oh



White House admits 'fair amount' of US equipment in Afghanistan in Taliban hands



During a White House press briefing, Sullivan was ask what will happen with the billions of dollars in equipment, including guns, ammunition, helicopters, and more, given to the Afghanistan government in the two decades before its collapse.
We don't have a complete picture, obviously, of where every article of defense materials has gone," the Biden adviser answered briefly. "But certainly, a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the Taliban, and, obviously, we don’t have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport."

No shit.

[Hairy Lime]

We cannot accept the Taliban returning to power.

Some people act like we are just going to stand aside and let the Taliban return to power, and it must not happen.

I trust you're okay with sending more American kids to fight the Taliban in what has been essentially a 40-year long Civil War.

Biden already promised  he would send back a large and devastating force if the Taliban interrupted our withdrawal.

Yeah

They aren't - which is hardly the point.

U.S. defense and intelligence officials appear to have severely underestimated the Taliban's military capabilities, and severely overestimated the power of the civilian government in Kabul and the Afghan Armed Forces supporting it.

The American flight from Kabul will be a stain on President Joe Biden's legacy and stand as a monument to American foreign policy hubris. After two decades, trillions of dollars, and hundreds of thousands of deaths, the Taliban are back in charge.

Biden will wear the shame of the Afghanistan tragedy. But so too will his three predecessors, including former President George W. Bush who embarked upon the open-ended conflict before shifting his attention to the similarly disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq.


- DAVID BRENNAN

Well, in that is a 20 year failure of US policy, yeah. I do think Biden was not prepared to see the Afghan army go all France on him, but the overall policy, set out in the pact Trump signed and Biden executed was sound. Our mission there, like Tony's posts, reeks of York Harding and good intentions that fail to comprehend ground realities and that is never a good thing.

[kidcarter8]

I do not approve of DeSantis’ policy in Florida.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/17/2046438/-Ron-DeSantis-has-a-very-good-reason-to-be-pro-virus-and-it-s-exactly-what-most-people-suspected

Headline makes it not worthy of reading

[facilitatorn]

Kid, all your hero’s are cheap whores very easily bought. Your shared lack of moral compass makes you prone to this.

With Covid deaths from Florida to Texas outstripping Afghan deaths in Afghanistan, it’s time we look at domestic terrorist organizations subverting and corrupting state governments here at home.

ALEC, Heritage, the Fedralist Society, Focus on the Family are all no-fly no-banking type groups for organizing and supporting violence for political ends.

[kidcarter8]

I don't know who that is - sorry.

[josh]

I don't know who that is - sorry.

Kid is a waste of recycled electrons.

[josh]

I don't know who that is - sorry.

Hey, Kid, do you know who this is?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/texas-governor-greg-abbott-covid-19/index.html

Abbott has COVID-19.

[Oilcan]

Some Afghans were always going to welcome the Taliban back,  because they saw them (in spite of the oppression) as less corrupt than any civil government.  Taliban is the Pashto word for "students, " and refers to them all being raised in the madrassa system and its very disciplined approach to life.   For Pashtuns generally,  who are about fifty percent of Afghans,  Taliban rule means more Pashtun power.   For men,  it promises better job prospects when all women are forced from their present jobs (as has already begun,  per NYT,  in major cities) and vacancies need filling.   

Basically,  most ordinary people there aren't concerned with big-picture stuff,  like how great western secular government maybe possibly someday be.   Poor nations are full of poor people who have poor people priorities. 

Some are concerned about women's rights,  which may explain why the Taliban spokespeeps are singing happy songs about the New Improved Softer emirate they're bringing.   It'll be interesting to see if any of that is real -- one could hope that students fresh from the madrassa in the 90s are now older and wiser.   Sending women home suggests maybe not.   Maybe not chopping off your hands for swiping an orange is the best that can be expected.

What, like when I left school in 1964, and because married women were not allowed to work in almost all occupations there was a job vacancy for me?.
Man was king, and there were jobs for men, and jobs for women. Male rates of pay and female rates of pay.
The female rates of pay were less.

I think he was describing a mindset of Afghan men, and how the Taliban try to sell their little Islamic utopia to them.   It's a bit of analysis that might help us understand why so many Afghan forces laid down their weapons.   Like Trumpists,  the Taliban say regressive things that others are thinking. 

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/us/mississippi-teenager-dies-covid/index.html

"Children aren't dying" says Kid. "Unless they have other major illnesses." (paraphrased)

Just keep ignoring reality.

[josh]

Only two ICU beds are left in the entire state of Alabama, the Alabama Hospital Association told CNN on Tuesday.
"We represent health care providers who have seen far too many of our fellow citizens become ill and die because of this disease, including children," the AHA and several other health care organizations said in a statement.

"We join all of you in wanting this to go away, but for that to happen it's going to take all of us. We respectfully request that those currently unvaccinated reconsider their decision. The benefits of getting vaccinated FAR outweigh any potential risk."

Alabama has 1,562 staffed intensive care unit beds and 1,560 patients in need of ICU care, AHA Executive Vice President Rosemary Blackmon told CNN. The Alabama Department of Public Health said 2,631 people are hospitalized with Covid-19 complications.

TN is activating National Guard medical staff to help in the hospitals.

[kidcarter8]

I don't know who that is - sorry.

Hey, Kid, do you know who this is?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/texas-governor-greg-abbott-covid-19/index.html

Abbott has COVID-19.

And I am sure - like so many others - that he will be fine

One more for natural immunity

[kidcarter8]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/us/mississippi-teenager-dies-covid/index.html

"Children aren't dying" says Kid. "Unless they have other major illnesses." (paraphrased)

Just keep ignoring reality.

One in South Carolina the other day as well

[Oilcan]

I don't know who that is - sorry.

Hey, Kid, do you know who this is?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/texas-governor-greg-abbott-covid-19/index.html

Abbott has COVID-19.

And I am sure - like so many others - that he will be fine

One more for natural immunity

He was vaccinated and is now receiving expensive monoclonal antibodies.   LoL.

[kidcarter8]

Of course he is