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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Hamilton Samuels]

I would agree with Bart in blaming the media, which I take to include social media, because it doesn't just amplify but also isolates.  The hoi polloi that Hamster would like to choose a middle path - many have trouble even conceiving what a middle path would be while their feeds bristle with imminent threats of some barbarian horde rolling in and shooting them or mindfucking them and their children.  Either communist barbarians or RW fascist barbarians or white supremacist ethnic cleansers, depending on the feed. 

When Fac starts saying that moderates are equivalent to good German Nazi-enablers, then I suggest that is sort of a barbarians at the gate mentality.

Maybe you hang out with too many extremists.

Responsible Americans filter the media, read all arguments critically, and respond to the issues of the day. The far left and the extreme right, and those who tend toward them,  are reactionaries, and cannot be trusted to lead the country.

It would behoove Biden to speak up a lot more loudly to that vast majority in the middle who understand what really needs to be done.

I am unconvinced that the folks in the middle are the vast majority at this stage, polling or no polling.

[kidcarter8]

hahaha - well, well...



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cori-bush-shot-white-supremacists-claim

[Hamilton Samuels]

GOP plans for Secretary Pete:
 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/16/pete-buttigieg-infrastructure-cash-gop-522655

[Hamilton Samuels]

Body language expert analyzes Rittenhouse on the stand.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4048987/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-trial-bruce-schroeder-forced-tears/?rec_article=true

[kidcarter8]

Bowdens attorney Steven Mitby said the doctor has treated more than 2,000 patients with Covid 19 at her private practice and that none of them have ended up in the hospital.
Her early treatment methods work and are saving lives, he added.
Dr. Bowden has the utmost respect for Houston Methodist and is proud of the work she has done along with her colleagues at Houston Methodist.
Bowdens Twitter account shows a series of tweets praising the anti parasitic drug ivermectin. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Food and Drug Administration have cautioned people against using the drug to treat Covid 19, CNN has reported.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/13/us/houston-doctor-suspended-covid-19/index.html

[LarryBnDC]

I would agree with Bart in blaming the media, which I take to include social media, because it doesn't just amplify but also isolates.  The hoi polloi that Hamster would like to choose a middle path - many have trouble even conceiving what a middle path would be while their feeds bristle with imminent threats of some barbarian horde rolling in and shooting them or mindfucking them and their children.  Either communist barbarians or RW fascist barbarians or white supremacist ethnic cleansers, depending on the feed. 

When Fac starts saying that moderates are equivalent to good German Nazi-enablers, then I suggest that is sort of a barbarians at the gate mentality.

They are at the fucking gate.

Damn right.

[LarryBnDC]

As the jury in the Rittenhouse trial began deliberations, Fox News spoke with two protestors outside of the courthouse about what could happen in Kenosha if the jury acquits the 18-year-old of charges that he shot three people during protests in 2020, killing two.

We hope it wont cause violence, one protestor leading anti Rittenhouse chants through a megaphone told Fox News.

Another woman said if there is violence, it will be from Rittenhouse supporters.

If he is acquitted, you are going to have these idiots [Rittenhouse supporters] out here doing stupid shit, she said.

The same woman said she worried if there was violence following the verdict, minorities would be characterized as responsible.

Us Black people that live in Kenosha, us Brown people that live in Kenosha are going to be blamed for that.

Uh....what???

Umbrella Man and Boogaloo Bois...

[REDSTATEWARD]

Shuffle off to Buffalo.


Witness the long knives coming out for Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown, who won an election against a left-wing favorite(as a write in candidate).
Mr. Brown won a fifth term after defeating Democratic socialist India Walton, who had beaten Mr. Brown in a June primary with promises to defund the Buffalo Police Department and put a moratorium on charter schools. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez campaigned for her.
The black mayor rallied labor unions, businesses and moderates with a write-in bid that won 59%!of the vote.
 Progressives are now looking to take revenge. The Democratic Plot to Stop a Socialist From Becoming Buffalo Mayor,  griped The New Republic. Larry Cohen, chair of the Sanders-aligned Our Revolution, say it is a disgrace that Mr. Brown pulled the stunt of  challenging a working-class woman primary victor. The left is organizing to banish Mr. Brown from the Democratic National Committee.Wall Street Journal

But even the radical left wokesters, after reflection, may have seen handwriting on the wall.


Sad and disappointed at the Buffalo result, Fredrik deBoer nevertheless urges his fellow radicals to face some unpleasant facts in an op-ed in the New York Times:

... it is time for young socialists and progressive Democrats to recognize that our beliefs just might not be popular enough to win elections consistently. It does us no favors to pretend otherwise.


LOL!
No shit

[LarryBnDC]

That's wholly unAmerican, and you should know it.

The middle is where the path to the future lies.

Even Lincoln knew that.


Yes.

After he got through KICKING THEIR ASS!

[Hairy Lime]

That's wholly unAmerican, and you should know it.

The middle is where the path to the future lies.

Even Lincoln knew that.


Yes.

After he got through KICKING THEIR ASS!

For the record, in 1850/60s terms, Lincoln started as a moderate on slavery, and moved towards the radical position bit by bit.

[LarryBnDC]

That's wholly unAmerican, and you should know it.

The middle is where the path to the future lies.

Even Lincoln knew that.


Yes.

After he got through KICKING THEIR ASS!

For the record, in 1850/60s terms, Lincoln started as a moderate on slavery, and moved towards the radical position bit by bit.

Especially when he was able to muster up a legion of able bodied and highly motivated troops to throw into the fray.

[facilitatorn]

The simple truth is that what Ponzi was to finance and what fortune-telling is to science, Joseph McCarthy is to politics.

Quoted from the WaPo.

Ponzi-politics is being used on both sides of the aisle.

We moderates aren't buying into it, thank you very much.

We moderates is what the Good Germans called themselves.

There are a bunch of people who want to start shooting and not stop until trump is returned to power on a rising mountain of corpses. A major political party spends more energy egging them on and amping them up with a steady stream of lies than it does coming to the table to negotiate anything on any issue.

The compromise these people will consider is that you can become their slave rather than a victim in the murder spree they plan. It should be a nice deal for you, good moderate.

I bet you though that made sense. 

The infrastructure bill is a good example of how progress is really made in this country,

It only passed because of the work of the moderates in both parties, and not the so-called progressives or the radical right.

It was the middle that got it done.

If you were honest, you'd admit that inconvenient truth.

The infrastructure law was overdue maintenance. It is nice some republicans broke ranks and voted with their sane adversaries on passing it, but they had little impact on its content or its actual passage. These are the few who could tell there is a wrong and right side on overdue maintenance and put down their poison long enough to get onboard with it.

This only counts as progress if you see the trump slump as a presidency, which therefore defines some norms, and not a prolonged republican terrorist attack, a follow on to the prolonged republican terrorist attack of Obama Derangement Syndrome that also prevented similar basic maintenance when it was already clearly needed.

[LarryBnDC]

The simple truth is that what Ponzi was to finance and what fortune-telling is to science, Joseph McCarthy is to politics.

Quoted from the WaPo.

Ponzi-politics is being used on both sides of the aisle.

We moderates aren't buying into it, thank you very much.

We moderates is what the Good Germans called themselves.

There are a bunch of people who want to start shooting and not stop until trump is returned to power on a rising mountain of corpses. A major political party spends more energy egging them on and amping them up with a steady stream of lies than it does coming to the table to negotiate anything on any issue.

The compromise these people will consider is that you can become their slave rather than a victim in the murder spree they plan. It should be a nice deal for you, good moderate.

I bet you though that made sense. 

The infrastructure bill is a good example of how progress is really made in this country,

It only passed because of the work of the moderates in both parties, and not the so-called progressives or the radical right.

It was the middle that got it done.

If you were honest, you'd admit that inconvenient truth.

The infrastructure law was overdue maintenance. It is nice some republicans broke ranks and voted with their sane adversaries on passing it, but they had little impact on its content or its actual passage. These are the few who could tell there is a wrong and right side on overdue maintenance and put down their poison long enough to get onboard with it.

This only counts as progress if you see the trump slump as a presidency, which therefore defines some norms, and not a prolonged republican terrorist attack, a follow on to the prolonged republican terrorist attack of Obama Derangement Syndrome that also prevented similar basic maintenance when it was already clearly needed.

[REDSTATEWARD]

That's wholly unAmerican, and you should know it.

The middle is where the path to the future lies.

Even Lincoln knew that.


Yes.

After he got through KICKING THEIR ASS!

For the record, in 1850/60s terms, Lincoln started as a moderate on slavery, and moved towards the radical position bit by bit.

Lincoln was elected with 40 per cent of the popular vote and was not on the ballot in 10 southern states. His electoral votes came entirely from the north where slavery had already been abolished.

[LarryBnDC]

The middle of the road is where you find dead armadillos

Or something like that.