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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[facilitatorn]

Right you are Deej.

If you think the trump tapes are bad, you should see the Murdoch tapes.

[luee]

Trump lost because he is racist against the Latinos and he offended the Mexicans, and Trump also offended the women with his "Grab them by the pussy" comment. Trump is racist, he is sexist, and Trump does not understand what America is all about.

Salute,

Tony V.

Well...first he won.  Then we prospered.  Then...

That was the only administration to cost Americans wealth and jobs while leaving them with more crime and shorter lifespans at the end of the day.

Since you have never prospered, it is reasonable to assume you do not actually know what prosper means.

LBJ left us with a war and riots in the streets, harding left us a depression and a world war. Biden looks weak and ineffective against Putin and in facing the immigration crisis.

[FlyingVProd]

Trump lost because he is racist against the Latinos and he offended the Mexicans, and Trump also offended the women with his "Grab them by the pussy" comment. Trump is racist, he is sexist, and Trump does not understand what America is all about.

Salute,

Tony V.

Well...first he won.  Then we prospered.  Then...

That was the only administration to cost Americans wealth and jobs while leaving them with more crime and shorter lifespans at the end of the day.

Since you have never prospered, it is reasonable to assume you do not actually know what prosper means.

LBJ left us with a war and riots in the streets, harding left us a depression and a world war. Biden looks weak and ineffective against Putin and in facing the immigration crisis.

The immigration crisis is about to really pick up steam as we start getting all of the people from Ukraine and from Russia. And the longer the crisis, the more desperate people we will be receiving. My advice is to buy cheap land in Battle Mountain, Nevada, and to build awesome Santorini, Greece, style apartment complexes, and the people can do trade with San Francisco. For the ones who want to study, they can go to college in Elko Nevada. And as we build we need to keep it nice, and with swimming pools and with tennis courts.

Canada is having a crisis and they do not know what to do, but the only answer is to build like crazy. Everyone can build their way out of this crisis.

And we need to make the immigrants legal, like Reagan did.

On the issue of Russia, we need to support our allies in Russia, and we need to have people to support after Putin is removed.

Salute,

Tony V.

[josh]

When I was young one of my heroes was Lee Iacocca, and I read his book on Leadership, and in his book he said that it is a blessing to be born poor, because then you appreciate wealth more, and you understand the blessing that money and success brings. If you were born poor then the hard work really seems all the more worthwhile after you achieve success. The success is sweeter if you were born poor.

Roy Rogers told me the same thing. He said that you need to go through the hard times so that you appreciate the good times.

The sad thing is that the percentage of poor people who become rich is far smaller than those who don't - and the folks who will tell you what a blessing growing up poor was are almost entirely those who are now wealthy.

And none of them chose to raise their children as poor kids, you might note.

Conversely, you might stop telling us how unfair it is that Rodgers' grandkids or great grandkids are poor, if it is such a blessing.

[Holly Martins]

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/10/1091939065/trump-dr-oz-senate-pennsylvania

In case you thought American politics couldn't get any shallower. 

[FlyingVProd]

The secret is to see poverty as being a blessing and rising above it, instead of letting it be a roadblock and stopping us from succeeding.

And I believe that we owe it to our children to give them the best life possible, including the best education and job training possible, etc. If you are poor, then the poor people still need to be able to go to college and succeed, but for the exceptional rich families then it seems to me to be an obligation that they experience the very best that the USA has to offer and then pay it back with some sort of public service.

( Lee Iacocca helped restore the Statue of Liberty, and he did other great things. )

In Sociology class they will teach you that people value what they are, the educated people value educations, and I think that in a nation where we the people rule our own nation that we need to have a highly educated population.

Dolly Parton is giving all of her workers a free education, Dolly is wonderful!

And Harvard is going to start giving free housing and free tuition, etc, to students from families earning under $75,000 per year.

I do not support making rich kids live like poor kids, but poverty is no excuse not to succeed. Poor people just need to work harder and they may need a little more luck and good fortune. ( I remember the poor children in Mexico whom I met on a mission with Youth For Christ, I wonder what their lives will amount to? I will help those poor children when I am able. And right now I can use my computer to suggest ideas to the World Bank, and locally to HUD, and to the SBA, etc, to try to help people. )

Salute,

Tony V.

[kidcarter8]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/buffalo-police-officers-cleared-wrongdoing-shoving-activist-gugino

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/buffalo-police-officers-cleared-wrongdoing-shoving-activist-gugino

Standard Operating Bullshit...

[kidcarter8]

Voter education needed (thanks for link to NPR)

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/06/1091267343/almost-25-000-mail-in-ballots-were-rejected-in-texas-for-its-march-1-primary-ele

[Holly Martins]

So after 800 posts, Red finally found the Ukraine war thread, and posted his thoughts on Justice KBJ. 

I'm moving that chat back here, if that works for y'all.

The whole RW narrative is designed to make the appointment look bad, but the narrative ignores certain facts. Biden promised to nominate a Black woman to the Supreme Court. The narrative that he somehow excluded others from consideration is premised on the notion that he didnt already have candidate(s) in mind, and wasnt aware of the top potential picks. Which is silly, since we know it to be false.

Saying I will nominate a black woman followed by searching for one, and running the risk that you do not have highly-qualified candidates so you pick one because youve backed yourself into a corner is what looks bad. But that is fiction.  KBJ was on the shortlist in 2016 because of her excellent qualifications.

And, again, choosing a particular ethnicity is done to be restorative for the Court as a whole.  Looking at the body of the Court, we see no major demographic is excluded, and who knows perhaps now it will be easier for, say, an Indigenous person to be seated of they have the credentials and character.  I think it would help to have ten year terms on the Court, to prevent ossification and allow more refreshment of perspectives as times change. 

[LarryBnDC]

Voter education needed (thanks for link to NPR)

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/06/1091267343/almost-25-000-mail-in-ballots-were-rejected-in-texas-for-its-march-1-primary-ele

Voting should be easy.

[REDSTATEWARD]

So after 800 posts, Red finally found the Ukraine war thread, and posted his thoughts on Justice KBJ. 

I'm moving that chat back here, if that works for y'all.

The whole RW narrative is designed to make the appointment look bad, but the narrative ignores certain facts. Biden promised to nominate a Black woman to the Supreme Court.

The only one whose reputation suffers is that of Biden and that was a given from the start of his politically managed search


A poll  finds President Joe Biden s  campaign trail vow to select a Black woman to fill a high-court vacancy without reviewing all potential candidates evokes a sharply negative reaction from voters.
-ABC/IPOS- January 30; 2022

[josh]

Marjorie Taylor Greene accused Romney, Murkowski, and Collins of being "pro-pedophile" for their having voted to approve Judge Jackson for the Supreme Court.

Stupid and nasty, but also drawing comments from the comedians.

Jimmy Kimmel asked, "Where is Will Smith when you need him?"

Greene reported this to the Capitol Police as a threat of violence against her.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/04/10/jimmy-kimmel-marjorie-taylor-greene-acostanr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

[facilitatorn]

Mtg construes anyone taking an oath to serve, protect, and defend the Constitution as making a personal threat against her. Based on what she says and does, she is probably right to feel those oaths are a real threat to her freedom, livelihood, and world view.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Forbes has published its annual list of the richest people in the world.
America still leads the world, with 735 billionaires worth a collective $4.7 trillion, including Elon Musk, who tops the World Billionaires list for the first time. China (including Macau and Hong Kong) remains number two, with 607 billionaires worth a collective $2.3 trillion.

So what if we consumed all of the wealth of the USBillionaires, what would it pay for?

Well.
Build Back Better has a price tag of $4.6Trillion over 10 years( Actual Cost, not the lies Biden spread)
Medicare for All costs  $33 Trillion over  a decade
The national debt is $20 trillion
If the government wrote checks to everyone it would be about $14K per.

But the biggest lesson to learn, pointed out by the Wall Street Journal, is that the USA IRS
Tax rate defining the rich starts at 9 times the annual American salary of $ 52k or about $ 450k

In such idyllic welfare states (according to democrats) of, say  Sweden or Denmark, where the average salary is about $38K USD, the annual wage defining rich is around $42K.