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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[facilitatorn]

Red shows us a perspective on life looking up through the seat of a toilet.

[Espnthree]

Scratch another Biden mess off the bucket list  of Merrick Garland.
He can forget prosecuting  Trump for taking presidential records with him when he departed the White House.  It turns out Joe Biden, did the same thing when he left the Obama administration.

It is impossible to charge one president while turning a blind eye to the other.
It would  boomerang.
Politically, it would be stupid.
But then the democrats are entirely capable of stupidity.

[LarryB!]

Scratch another Biden mess off the bucket list  of Merrick Garland.
He can forget prosecuting  Trump for taking presidential records with him when he departed the White House.  It turns out Joe Biden, did the same thing when he left the Obama administration.

It is impossible to charge one president while turning a blind eye to the other.
It would  boomerang.
Politically, it would be stupid.
But then the democrats are entirely capable of stupidity.

This will only play out as you wish in your echo chambers.

Taking docs is one thing, refusing to return them is quite the other.

[LarryB!]

I just saw Rep. Byron Donalds (R-FL) on Joy Reid show


There is a saying you should never argue with someone Harriet Tubman would have left behind.

Harriet would have shot Donalds in his ass and left him in a ditch.

[Espnthree]

Now Joe Biden wants your  gas stove in his relentless war on carbon.
The Consumer Product Safety Commission, citing dubious Science, suddenly says that gas stoves are the new cigarettes.
 Gas burning stoves in kitchens across America are responsible for roughly 12.7 percent of childhood asthma cases nationwide  on par with the childhood asthma risks associated with exposure to secondhand smoke, according to a study,the Washington Post said in its Climate 202 newsletter.

But.(and it is a big one)
The asthma study was funded by RMI, an environmental group with the radical goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 50 percent within the next seven years. Its lead author is part of its  Carbon Free Buildings initiative. The study was not based on any actual scientific research into the effects on the body of having a gas stove in the house during normal use. It is  based on looking at previous studies from North America and Europe, making extrapolations about the number of children living in homes with gas stoves from data in the American Housing Survey, and then coming up with a mathematical formula to get the result that the authors wanted.
As the National Review points out
Even if we accept the data as sound  that is, that children living in homes with gas stoves were observed to have higher rates of asthma  it does not remove other variables. Gas stoves could simply be more common in households that have other factors making their children more likely to suffer from asthma.

There are two unmistakable signs that this issue is dubious.
First, it emphasizes it is for the sake of the children with only one four page childhood asthma study publicized by activists and the Biden Administration.
Second, say gas stoves are racist, no matter how tenuous the connection between the issue and race actually is.
With gas cooking stoves in over a third of American homes and 76% of our restaurants this does not shape up as a worthwhile issue for democrats in an upcoming presidential race.
But any crumb they can throw to the climate loonies should not be ignored.

[Yankguy1]

In the meantime, the Republicans, without any sense of irony or hypocrisy, have created the "Select Committee on the Weaponization of Government."

[Espnthree]

In the meantime, the Republicans, without any sense of irony or hypocrisy, have created the "Select Committee on the Weaponization of Government."

About time.

[Yankguy1]

!!!!!!!

[Oilcanard]

Now Joe Biden wants your  gas stove in his relentless war on carbon.
The Consumer Product Safety Commission, citing dubious Science, suddenly says that gas stoves are the new cigarettes.
 Gas burning stoves in kitchens across America are responsible for roughly 12.7 percent of childhood asthma cases nationwide  on par with the childhood asthma risks associated with exposure to secondhand smoke, according to a study,the Washington Post said in its Climate 202 newsletter.

But.(and it is a big one)
The asthma study was funded by RMI, an environmental group with the radical goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 50 percent within the next seven years. Its lead author is part of its  Carbon Free Buildings initiative....

I agree that the study protocol is weak and does not rule out other correlations.  I doubt very much anyone is running on this issue in a presidential race.  Not everything one government agency puts out there becomes a campaign issue.

I suspect that poor furnace filters, or neglect to replace them, is probably a much bigger issue as regards asthma.  Ditto pet ownership, secondhand smoke, etc. 

For a slightly different hypothesis, I would suggest that households that have in the past switched from gas to induction stoves (or installed high-efficiency fume venting over their gas stove) are also more affluent, a social condition that strongly correlates with lower rates of respiratory illness.   

And none of this takes away from the evidence that overall supports reducing carbon footprint.  An induction stove  can still be a good step among many towards reduced fossil fuel use.  The useful approach would be to, as with heat pumps, offer consumers rebates on such upgrades to help make them affordable to more people. 

[Espnthree]

As to racism and stoves.
Nothing is more discriminatory than making gas stoves off limits to Asian -Americans.

[Espnthree]

Major League Baseball winter months traditionally is referred to as the Hot Stove League

Well a day after The Biden Administration hinted at a possible crackdown on gas stoves the backlash was swift and effective. The  Hot Stove League is free to proceed in any manner it chooses.


A White House official says that a gas stove ban should not be on the table, but would not say what regulations  if any  they would support on gas stoves.

[Hairy Lime]

As to racism and stoves.
Nothing is more discriminatory than making gas stoves off limits to Asian -Americans.

Liar.

[Hairy Lime]

Major League Baseball winter months traditionally is referred to as the Hot Stove League

Well a day after The Biden Administration hinted at a possible crackdown on gas stoves the backlash was swift and effective. The  Hot Stove League is free to proceed in any manner it chooses.


A White House official says that a gas stove ban should not be on the table, but would not say what regulations  if any  they would support on gas stoves.

So this initial post was a lie. To the surprise of no one"

Now Joe Biden wants your  gas stove in his relentless war on carbon.

Liar.

[LarryB!]

As to racism and stoves.
Nothing is more discriminatory than making gas stoves off limits to Asian -Americans.

Of course you realize this a forward looking proposal. No one is coming to take existing gas stoves out of  house.

[Yankguy1]

As to racism and stoves.
Nothing is more discriminatory than making gas stoves off limits to Asian -Americans.

Of course you realize this a forward looking proposal. No one is coming to take existing gas stoves out of  house.

I'm guessing that's not important to Red.