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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: February 13, 2022, 10:41:25 PM

[bankshot1]

probably Pedro

then Koufax

Pedro because of his relative longevity and excellence

YMMV

See? You couldn't do it. You had to go look up WHO the stats were from. And not sure how "relative longevity" comes from Pedro?

HEH

Did what?

forget what I knew?

I didn't need to look up stats.

When you mention Kaat a couple of days ago I looked at his stats, so the 3 pitchers you decided to comp were known.

Its not my fault you suck at presenting a persuasive argument.

I didn't make an argument. I posed a question to the group.

Most would understand the difference between an argument and a question.

But you? Maybe not.

And I answered your question

Pedro, Koufax and then Kaat.

Utley you've been making an argument for Moyer for years.

and have persuaded no one.

a few days ago you promoted his artistry and charitable works and outstanding character as reasons to promote his HoF candidacy.

It was not a very strong argument for his case.

And you comped him to Kaat.

Katt as posted was a far better pitcher and a case can be made for him in the HoF.

I took your 1,2,3 comp as a rhetorical device to further your beliefs.

An ulterior motive as it were.

Which is fine.

But I answered your question.

Kaat was a pretty good pitcher, maybe a HoF pitcer, but he was not remotely as talented as Pedro or Koufax. He's not in the same discussion as those guys.

YMMV

And fwiw, in a small community that is populated mostly by reasonably knowledgable baseball fans many of whom watched baseball in the 60s, those stats were suffficent to ID Pedro and Koufax, two of the greatest pitchers ever.

again, YMMV

[bankshot1]

here's a game

who's the HoFer?

A- 229W-172 L 3.30 ERA    1.199 WHIP  2416 Ks

B- 254W-186L   3.90 ERA   1.296 WHIP  2478 Ks

C- 216W - 146L  3.46 ERA   1.137 WHIP  3116 Ks

D- 256- 153L     3.85 ERA    1.351 WHIP  2448 Ks

E 251W - 161L   3.74 ERA    1.259 WHIP  3093Ks


or rank these guys by your estimate of WAR

[Hairy Lime]

B, though E will be. He is still active, right?

Edit: no, he retired after this year, right? I expect C will make the HoF also although I would not vote.for him on account of his squeezing a packet of catsup on a sock and pretending it was blood.

[bankshot1]

Good work boz

there's a tell on that question.

and E probably will be, but lets make it clear he's no Jamie Moyer!

[Hairy Lime]

Good work boz

there's a tell on that question.

and E probably will be, but lets make it clear he's no Jamie Moyer!

I edited because I realized who C was. I would have made.E C... C.

[Hairy Lime]

Good work boz

there's a tell on that question.

and E probably will be, but lets make it clear he's no Jamie Moyer!

I think 3000 k gets you in, unless you are either a PED user or a raging asshole. Like C.

[bankshot1]

3000Ks is a shit load, but Ks have gotten cheaper, a lot cheaper, over the past decade.

But the offset is starters are only going 6+ innings

I imagine Verlander and Scherzer are there or getting close

Maybe Bart Colon

[Hairy Lime]

As for the one I would most want, it would be the guy in the Hall. He was always a forget the E.R.A. stuff, watch him pitch guy.

Though  if I could have just one year of any of their careers, give me A in 1968.

[Hairy Lime]

3000Ks is a shit load, but Ks have gotten cheaper, a lot cheaper, over the past decade.

But the offset is starters are only going 6+ innings

I imagine Verlander and Scherzer are there or getting close

Maybe Bart Colon

V got his 3000th last year.

[bankshot1]

3000Ks is a shit load, but Ks have gotten cheaper, a lot cheaper, over the past decade.

But the offset is starters are only going 6+ innings

I imagine Verlander and Scherzer are there or getting close

Maybe Bart Colon

V got his 3000th last year.

didn't watch much of 2020*

Verlander is a HoF lock, again doesn't have the artistry of Moyer, but he's banging a large-brested model.

Kershaw must be getting close to 3,000 too.

[bankshot1]

As for the one I would most want, it would be the guy in the Hall. He was always a forget the E.R.A. stuff, watch him pitch guy.

Though  if I could have just one year of any of their careers, give me A in 1968.

That guy was an artist.

One of my favorite pitcher's ever.

IMO he's a HoF guy.

[Hairy Lime]

As for the one I would most want, it would be the guy in the Hall. He was always a forget the E.R.A. stuff, watch him pitch guy.

Though  if I could have just one year of any of their careers, give me A in 1968.

That guy was an artist.

One of my favorite pitcher's ever.

IMO he's a HoF guy.

One of 7 pitchers in the 20/20 club. 20 wins and 20 losses in back to back years. Ah, life in the Land during the Curse.

[bankshot1]

As for the one I would most want, it would be the guy in the Hall. He was always a forget the E.R.A. stuff, watch him pitch guy.

Though  if I could have just one year of any of their careers, give me A in 1968.

That guy was an artist.

One of my favorite pitcher's ever.

IMO he's a HoF guy.

One of 7 pitchers in the 20/20 club. 20 wins and 20 losses in back to back years. Ah, life in the Land during the Curse.

Its possible if he had avoided injuries he would have stayed with the Indians, and put up indisputable Hof #s.

[Hamilton Samuels]

probably Pedro

then Koufax

Pedro because of his relative longevity and excellence

YMMV

See? You couldn't do it. You had to go look up WHO the stats were from. And not sure how "relative longevity" comes from Pedro?

HEH

Did what?

forget what I knew?

I didn't need to look up stats.

When you mention Kaat a couple of days ago I looked at his stats, so the 3 pitchers you decided to comp were known.

Its not my fault you suck at presenting a persuasive argument.

I didn't make an argument. I posed a question to the group.

Most would understand the difference between an argument and a question.

But you? Maybe not.

And I answered your question

Pedro, Koufax and then Kaat.

Utley you've been making an argument for Moyer for years.

and have persuaded no one.

a few days ago you promoted his artistry and charitable works and outstanding character as reasons to promote his HoF candidacy.

It was not a very strong argument for his case.

And you comped him to Kaat.

Katt as posted was a far better pitcher and a case can be made for him in the HoF.

I took your 1,2,3 comp as a rhetorical device to further your beliefs.

An ulterior motive as it were.

Which is fine.

But I answered your question.

Kaat was a pretty good pitcher, maybe a HoF pitcer, but he was not remotely as talented as Pedro or Koufax. He's not in the same discussion as those guys.

YMMV

And fwiw, in a small community that is populated mostly by reasonably knowledgable baseball fans many of whom watched baseball in the 60s, those stats were suffficent to ID Pedro and Koufax, two of the greatest pitchers ever.

again, YMMV

Some people have to work at missing out what's in front of them. But you don't. You miss things pretty much all the time.

SSDD

[Hamilton Samuels]

Good work boz

there's a tell on that question.

and E probably will be, but lets make it clear he's no Jamie Moyer!

I think 3000 k gets you in, unless you are either a PED user or a raging asshole. Like C.

How about 4500 IP? Seems to me that should be a lock for the HOF. Sure, it doesn't have that joyous fascist ring to it that 3000 K's has as an individual accomplishment, but it sure means a helluvalot to the TEAM; preserving the pen, lengthening out the use of starting staff, adding value to the franchise, etc.