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ALDS - Rays vs. Astros (See Predictions for Twins vs. Yankees.)

Tampa Bay in 5
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Houston in 3
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HamiltonIII

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Re: American League
« Reply #1365 on: February 10, 2019, 09:19:40 PM »

Lots of people think that competition still creates valuable and the best form of entertainment. Guess you aren't one of them.

Negabostonadouche.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1366 on: February 10, 2019, 09:28:05 PM »

Lots of people think that competition still creates valuable and the best form of entertainment. Guess you aren't one of them.

Negabostonadouche.

I think the problem here is that you are shifting the definition of "best" to whatever suits your argument at the moment. Normally, you mean the one that fields the strongest teams (more than one) - that could be expected to have the best record vs. other divisions.

But since that doesn't fit the NL East, you are choosing instead that competitiveness within the division is what you mean by "best." Good luck selling that definition outside of your own head.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1367 on: February 10, 2019, 09:49:45 PM »

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Re: American League
« Reply #1368 on: February 11, 2019, 01:30:09 PM »

Lots of people think that competition still creates valuable and the best form of entertainment. Guess you aren't one of them.

Negabostonadouche.

I think the problem here is that you are shifting the definition of "best" to whatever suits your argument at the moment. Normally, you mean the one that fields the strongest teams (more than one) - that could be expected to have the best record vs. other divisions.

But since that doesn't fit the NL East, you are choosing instead that competitiveness within the division is what you mean by "best." Good luck selling that definition outside of your own head.

You fail to recognize that 4 teams in that Division are projected to win 85 or more games. There is no other division rated as such. Therefore, it's the best.

That you can't handle that situation indicates your own weakmindedness, Professor Dimwit.




 
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Re: American League
« Reply #1369 on: February 11, 2019, 03:01:15 PM »

If those win totals are accurate (according to odds shark, Mets, Phillies and Atl are projected at 84 1/2) and the Nats projected at 87 1/2, (85.25 average)  The NL East may be the most competitive division.

But using the same source, the Sox are projected at 96 1/2, the Yanls at 95 1/2 and the Rays 84 1/2, or an average of 92.17 wins.

And using net projected wins (wins-losses) it appears the AL East is stronger.   

Are 4 teams a few games over .500 "better" than 3 teams that won an average of 99 games last year? (108, 103, 90), and could do it again this year?

Beauty is in the eye...

https://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/mlb-season-win-totals
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« Reply #1370 on: February 11, 2019, 06:31:51 PM »

Lots of people think that competition still creates valuable and the best form of entertainment. Guess you aren't one of them.

Negabostonadouche.

I think the problem here is that you are shifting the definition of "best" to whatever suits your argument at the moment. Normally, you mean the one that fields the strongest teams (more than one) - that could be expected to have the best record vs. other divisions.

But since that doesn't fit the NL East, you are choosing instead that competitiveness within the division is what you mean by "best." Good luck selling that definition outside of your own head.

You fail to recognize that 4 teams in that Division are projected to win 85 or more games. There is no other division rated as such. Therefore, it's the best.

That you can't handle that situation indicates your own weakmindedness, Professor Dimwit.

I saw nothing with such a projection, Utley.

I saw odds of one sort presented. I saw odds of another sort projected.

If you expect me to guess which website you are using to base your assumption upon, you are welcome to do so, but it's a pretty dumb expectation.

National League
NL East
Team   Wins   Losses   Win %
Washington Nationals   90   72   0.556
New York Mets   88   74   0.543
Philadelphia Phillies   85   77   0.525
Atlanta Braves   82   80   0.506
Miami Marlins   65   97   0.401


Nope, not RotoChamp's.

Not FanGraphs:
https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings

Nationals 91-71
Mets        85-75
Braves     82-80
Phillies     82-80
Marlins     65-97

They think the "best" division would be the NL Central - with their last place team only 9 games out! Far better than the NL East, whose Marlins are 17 games behind FOURTH!
Cubs   88   74   .541
Cardinals   86   76   .532
Reds   81   81   .503
Pirates   80   82   .495
Brewers   79   83   .487


Not the Sporting News, either:
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/2019-mlb-win-total-projections-odds-betting-wager-caesars-red-sox-dodgers-yankees-astros/kvjg7117lo8f1o9epdps3y4hu

Okay, Utley, I'll bite!

You clearly found one website that gave you the results you wanted. Which one was it?! And what makes it the gold standard on which you wish to hang your sanctimonious self-congratulatory ass?
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Re: American League
« Reply #1371 on: February 11, 2019, 06:47:07 PM »

I think 4 teams have a legit shot at the NL East.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1372 on: February 11, 2019, 08:33:14 PM »

I have seen Mets projected over 90 in some places.

And also to win the division

Should be a hot year indeed.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1373 on: February 11, 2019, 09:43:24 PM »

So, how about this:

Utley thinks the NL East might be the most competitive division in MLB.

He thinks because it is the most competitive, that makes it "the best," though he was careful to say other people thought it, rather than claiming it for himself.

He's arguing that four 9-7 NFL teams would be the best division in football, because they were the most competitive, rather than one with two 12-4 teams, one 10-6 team, and one 2-14 team.

It's an argument.

I suspect any of the fans of the 9-7 teams would trade spots with the 12-4 teams in a heartbeat, and competition be damned.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1374 on: February 11, 2019, 11:08:24 PM »

You do understand the difference between a division vs am individual team, don't you, Master of Arts in Education?
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« Reply #1375 on: February 11, 2019, 11:15:50 PM »

You do understand the difference between a division vs am individual team, don't you, Master of Arts in Education?

Do you agree that by your seeming definition, the division with the four 9-7 teams would be "the best?"

And your assumption of what I have for a degree is hilarious.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1376 on: February 12, 2019, 06:30:20 AM »

Which are the 120 win baseball teams?

NL East 4 teams (rounded off) at 90-70

AL East has 2 teams 120-40 and then Tampa wins 100?

Heh.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1377 on: February 12, 2019, 08:25:43 AM »

I am reminded of the scene in Right Ho Jeeves where Bertie suggests, to give the abstemious Gussie Fink-Nottle the courage to ask the Bassett to marry him, they spike his orange juice with whiskey. Or, since they are English and not my droid, whisky. Jeeves objects, noting the time a family member gave alcohol to a parrot, which immediately flew about the room, causing havoc and panic. Bertie spots the flaw in Jeeves's logic immediately: Gussie is not a parrot.

Some people are just incapable of understanding the concept of analogy.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1378 on: February 12, 2019, 10:14:05 AM »

Which are the 120 win baseball teams?

NL East 4 teams (rounded off) at 90-70

AL East has 2 teams 120-40 and then Tampa wins 100?

Heh.

kid-I have no idea what the point  you are trying to make.

I would note that the Rays, with 90 wins last year, and 18 games behind the Sox in the ALE, would have tied the Braves for the NLE last year.

To their credit, they seem to usually get a lot from a little.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1379 on: February 12, 2019, 03:29:36 PM »

You're not that dumb

Your 12-4 bit is whack.  10-6 would have worked.  2 teams 10-6 = 2 teams 102-60 in baseball
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