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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22725 on: October 29, 2019, 11:41:37 PM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor.[22] The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.

Minority leader. As such he had no power, right or ability to initiate any proceedings on his own.
  Neither does the Speaker. Article 1 Section 2
LOL. Don't ever change. We need the laughs.

Nothing in the Constitution indicates you can use a.resolution to start impeachment proceedings either.
What it does say is the House(the entire body) has the sole power of impeachment.

And that they can establish their own rules for how to do it.

In this case, by hearings restricted to the designated committee members of both parties.

Because the Constitution allows them to do that, no matter how much you pretend to have an argument.
They and them?
You are getting closer.
Still not there, just yet.

You remain a child playing childish games, unable to admit when you have made a mistake, as ever.
I didn’t make any mistake. The Constitution is pretty clear.

It is, in this regard.

Too bad you keep ignoring it.

The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

And you don't like that. We get it.

But they followed the law. The inquiries were legal, just as the judge you choose to ignore said they were. And if the whole House votes to have public hearings, now, after the closed session hearings, that will be like the bulk of the times that impeachment has been considered.

And they were legal, too, even if some of them were as stupid and asinine as your faux-debate points.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22726 on: October 30, 2019, 12:02:10 AM »


The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

That’s not what happened. The Speaker of the House set the rules with no input from the House.
But it is a moot point now since Pelosi has conceded such.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22727 on: October 30, 2019, 12:14:14 AM »

Sorry, but...."Third Man meltdown theme" ??

Funny, I don't hear a zither.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22728 on: October 30, 2019, 12:20:58 AM »

Sorry, but...."Third Man meltdown theme" ??

Funny, I don't hear a zither.
When it starts to play Anton will tell you..
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22729 on: October 30, 2019, 12:21:39 AM »


The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

That’s not what happened. The Speaker of the House set the rules with no input from the House.
But it is a moot point now since Pelosi has conceded such.

You're mistaken, Ward.

Still.

The House set the broad rules that allowed the Speaker to set the specific rules.

Pretty much the same way that Hastert, Gingrich, and many others others have.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22730 on: October 30, 2019, 12:30:53 AM »


The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

That’s not what happened. The Speaker of the House set the rules with no input from the House.
But it is a moot point now since Pelosi has conceded such.

You're mistaken, Ward.

Still.

The House set the broad rules that allowed the Speaker to set the specific rules.
What was the vote?

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22731 on: October 30, 2019, 12:32:55 AM »


The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

That’s not what happened. The Speaker of the House set the rules with no input from the House.
But it is a moot point now since Pelosi has conceded such.

You're mistaken, Ward.

Still.

The House set the broad rules that allowed the Speaker to set the specific rules.
What was the vote?

“an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.”

—- Gerald Ford 4/15/1970
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22732 on: October 30, 2019, 12:44:41 AM »


The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

That’s not what happened. The Speaker of the House set the rules with no input from the House.
But it is a moot point now since Pelosi has conceded such.

You're mistaken, Ward.

Still.

The House set the broad rules that allowed the Speaker to set the specific rules.
What was the vote?

“an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.”

—- Gerald Ford 4/15/1970
LOL
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22733 on: October 30, 2019, 12:47:41 AM »


The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

That’s not what happened. The Speaker of the House set the rules with no input from the House.
But it is a moot point now since Pelosi has conceded such.

You're mistaken, Ward.

Still.

The House set the broad rules that allowed the Speaker to set the specific rules.
What was the vote?

The vote is Thursday. Up till that vote everything is going down in the course of normal constitutionally mandated congressional oversight of the executive branch. They’ve been bad bad boys over in the executive branch (for all you not quite third graders out there).

The vote Thursday will punch huge holes in creepy crappy brain-fried donald’s rickety-ass attempts to withhold documents or witnesses. Both sets of books and all the kick-backs and conspiracies of bureaucratic rough housing to secure kick-backs, the nepotism and self dealing and naked selling of policy will be laid on the table.

The republicans who will look best and survive longest are the ones who abandon the sinking dipshit first, if they haven’t already.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22734 on: October 30, 2019, 12:57:49 AM »


The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

That’s not what happened. The Speaker of the House set the rules with no input from the House.
But it is a moot point now since Pelosi has conceded such.

You're mistaken, Ward.

Still.

The House set the broad rules that allowed the Speaker to set the specific rules.
What was the vote?

“an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.”

—- Gerald Ford 4/15/1970
LOL

sometimes its a fib about a blowjob

sometimes its about collusion with our enemies and or other foreign actors to unfairly influence our elections and then the associated obstruction of justice to hide the treasonous acts.

and Red was outraged about the blowjob but giggles about treason

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« Reply #22735 on: October 30, 2019, 01:22:50 AM »

Red got no action from the blow job.

He’s hip deep in the treason.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22736 on: October 30, 2019, 04:05:38 AM »


The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

That’s not what happened. The Speaker of the House set the rules with no input from the House.
But it is a moot point now since Pelosi has conceded such.

You're mistaken, Ward.

Still.

The House set the broad rules that allowed the Speaker to set the specific rules.
What was the vote?

Sounds like it was passed without objection, Ward, though there were 3 Roll Call votes on proposed changes.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/6/text

But since the bulk of the Rules were carryover from the 115th Congress, to find out what they were you would have to go back to 2017. And if I were a betting man, I would bet that the bulk of those were carried over from the 114th Congress.  Indeed, I doubt the rules governing the powers of the Speaker have change appreciably in half a century! I could be wrong - you could research it, I am sure.

Knock yourself out.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22737 on: October 30, 2019, 08:08:34 AM »


The House gets to set the rules for how they explore the events prior to their deciding whether or not to vote on impeachment. That includes whether and when to have a vote about inquiries.

That’s not what happened. The Speaker of the House set the rules with no input from the House.
But it is a moot point now since Pelosi has conceded such.

You're mistaken, Ward.

Still.

The House set the broad rules that allowed the Speaker to set the specific rules.
What was the vote?

“an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.”

—- Gerald Ford 4/15/1970

This is true

And some have more bite than others.  Others are just witch hunts based on general dislike.

I think this will only add to Trump's legacy, should he win a second term.  ALL that was accomplished - and under such constant stone dodging.
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« Reply #22738 on: October 30, 2019, 08:12:49 AM »

Minority leader. As such he had no power, right or ability to initiate any proceedings on his own.


Thats not the important part of it
Yes, that is the important part, whether you realize it or not.
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« Reply #22739 on: October 30, 2019, 08:16:07 AM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor   The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.



House didnt vote to initiate - and thus it died

This seems to indicate that a vote occurs prior to any initiation of hearings (Ford ATTEMPTED to initiate impeachment proceedings - no initiation since House wouldnt vote)

Because he was the fucking minority leader.

Doesnt matter WHY they wouldnt vote.  This stipulates that there NEEDED to BE a vote in the House before proceding.

Do you have an issue with the text...the source?
No, that is not what.it "stipulates". It may mean that if you are in the minority and cannot by House rules.order the holding of hearings or set the agenda of the House, a resolution is one way to try to force a hearing.
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