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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43575 on: July 20, 2020, 05:10:30 AM »

This article places a fair amount of blame on Dr. Birx and helps explain why she stuck around.  My impression was she was mostly useless, but reportedly she was frequently overly optimistic and the Trump decision makers partly relied on that.
https://www.startribune.com/inside-the-trump-administration-s-rush-to-abandon-leadership-role-on-the-virus/571821141/

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Birx was more central than publicly known to the judgment inside the West Wing that the virus was on a downward path. Her model-based assessment failed to account for a vital variable: how Trump’s rush to urge a return to normalcy would help undercut the social distancing and other measures that were holding down the numbers.

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they focused on two more questions: Had the virus peaked? And had the government given the states the tools they needed to manage the remaining problems?

On the first question, Birx was optimistic: Mitigation was working, even as many outside experts were warning that the nation would remain at great risk if it let up on social distancing and moved prematurely to reopen.

The group believed they had succeeded on the second question, too, although shortages of protective gear continued in some places (and would flare again months later).

The whole Trump health team: Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Azar, Adams, Hahn, Giroir have all made serious mistakes and done a poor job.  The only one who seemed to know what they were talking about was Messonnier, who was quickly sidelined for providing honest, accurate information (when Trump was so clueless he was away in India).


After 15 days of shutdown, Trump wanted to reopen.  But was persuaded by Fauci and others that another 30 days would be necessary.  If the lockdowns were extended another 2 weeks, mask use encouraged/mandated and the lockdowns were stricter -- most of the disruption and illness and death the US is experiencing could/would have been avoided.

And it's not hindsight, it's what China and South Korea and Taiwan and Hong Kong and Singapore and to a lesser extent Japan all did effectively (Japan got caught up in trying to hold the Olympics and so lied to their citizens and misrepresented case numbers and tried to pretend things were normal instead of viral).
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43576 on: July 20, 2020, 05:17:45 AM »

Should add in Jared too since he's been named in charge of everything.

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Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and adviser: the loose cannon
Kushner, a presidential adviser and the husband of Trump’s eldest daughter, Ivanka, has sown chaos by creating an independent White House coronavirus team.

The Washington Post reported that many West Wing aides view his group as a “shadow task force” that’s muddling the chain of command.

In the early going, Kushner also reportedly advised Trump to view the emerging outbreak principally through a public relations lens. Many have suggested the real public relations problem was treating a pandemic as a public relations problem.

The PR focus meant less attention to the actual health crisis, along with Trump taking over the daily briefings and rambling on stupidly and people getting really tired of Trump being Trump when real info and measures were needed.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43577 on: July 20, 2020, 06:09:41 AM »

I think the Everybody and Nobody arguments are an extreme form of solipsism.  You project your worldview on to everybody, universalizing your viewpoint.
It's also just bs cover to hide your error, perfect for those who have great trouble admitting being wrong.

The problem is Trump frequently underscores his own ignorance when using such rhetoric.  For example:
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February 25: Trump claims "nobody had ever even heard of Ebola" in 2014

Ebola had been in the news for decades, 2014 was I think the third major Ebola outbreak, etc.   I imagine nobody (ie Trump) has ever heard of Marburg Virus, another nasty hemorrhagic fever.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43578 on: July 20, 2020, 07:33:49 AM »

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The Republican National Committee (RNC), the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC), and the Florida GOP won a federal court victory upholding Florida’s ban on ballot harvesting.

Priorities USA, a progressive advocacy group, and other Democrat plaintiffs dismissed their claims in Nielsen v. DeSantis, a lawsuit challenging Florida’s ban on ballot harvesting which also aimed to force the state to count ballots that arrived after Election Day. The plaintiffs also dropped their claim that Florida needed to provide pre-paid postage on vote-by-mail ballots.



WHEN YOUR PARTY’S ELECTORAL STRATEGY DEPENDS ON FEWER PEOPLE VOTING IT MEANS THEY KNOW THEIR POLICIES SUCK FOR MOST AMERICANS

I don't think Trump cares how many Democrats vote.

You're a buffoon.

NO MAIL IN VOTING!

FRAUD IN NEW HAMPSHIRE! THEY BUSED IN THOUSANDS!

I DON'T BELIEVE SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE. THERE MUST HAVE BEEN FRAUD IN CALIFORNIA.

I don't think he cares what truth is. And I am increasingly convinced you don't, either.

A Republican Governor says Trump “got bored” with the Federal COVID response so has moved on.

Kiidcarter8 says great job, true leadership, B+!

The truth is completely immaterial to him and it’s become clear that he is exclusively trolling the message board at this point.
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43579 on: July 20, 2020, 07:41:52 AM »

For anyone who wasn’t convinced enough by Trump’s secret police force in Portland that our Democracy is under direct threat:
https://www.axios.com/trump-executive-orders-supreme-court-daca-3d369f16-d9db-4e39-b8a0-946e670797b2.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

Any excuse for Trump to happily break the law.  In this case, shoddy legal reasoning they know is unconstitutional but they think they can do it anyway because Congress would have no recourse.

This is how our Democracy dies.

And the Trumpists think it’s great because first thing these powers will be used against those brown people. They are too dense to imagine that these powers could be used to enact policies they don’t support.
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43580 on: July 20, 2020, 09:25:54 AM »

Meanwhile, Redward, Scotus a couple days ago furthers disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of ex-felons in Florida.   Sotomayor dissent is worth reading.
Dissent  opinions always are appealing to the losing side.

BAE.   
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« Reply #43581 on: July 20, 2020, 09:38:16 AM »

News Item


The Republican National Committee (RNC), the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC), and the Florida GOP won a federal court victory upholding Florida’s ban on ballot harvesting.

Priorities USA, a progressive advocacy group, and other Democrat plaintiffs dismissed their claims in Nielsen v. DeSantis, a lawsuit challenging Florida’s ban on ballot harvesting which also aimed to force the state to count ballots that arrived after Election Day. The plaintiffs also dropped their claim that Florida needed to provide pre-paid postage on vote-by-mail ballots.



WHEN YOUR PARTY’S ELECTORAL STRATEGY DEPENDS ON FEWER PEOPLE VOTING IT MEANS THEY KNOW THEIR POLICIES SUCK FOR MOST AMERICANS

I don't think Trump cares how many Democrats vote.

Please try to find a professional cult deprogrammer. 
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kidcarter8

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43582 on: July 20, 2020, 09:51:14 AM »

Two more reasons for not liking what Trump had to say today in his Fox interview, for all that they are authentic Donald Trump:

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“I have to see. Look ... I have to see,” Trump told moderator Chris Wallace during a wide-ranging interview on ”Fox News Sunday." “No, I’m not going to just say yes. I’m not going to say no, and I didn’t last time either.” The Biden campaign responded: "The American people will decide this election. And the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House.”

Trump also hammered the Pentagon brass for favoring renaming bases that honor Confederate military leaders — a drive for change spurred by the national debate about race after George Floyd's death. “I don’t care what the military says,” the commander in chief said.

I liked Biden's response to the first. And I will be surprised if we don't see the military quote in a Lincoln Project ad tomorrow or the next day.

Do you know fully what Trump said about Fort Bragg and other bases?

Which time? Today? Sure. When first challenged on it? Absolutely.

Which part of it are you endorsing? The part where he claims changing the base name would dishonor the men and women who had served there?

Or the part where he claims it is a proud part of our history?

Or the part where he says he doesn't care what the military things?

What did you have in mind?

All of it

(Glad you went back and read it)
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43585 on: July 20, 2020, 10:22:24 AM »

http://www.dcreport.org/2020/07/17/devos-wants-to-turn-millions-of-children-into-coronavirus-lab-rats/

Trump is a monster who only hires other monsters.

Pitchforks and torches for the lot of them.

You may like this joke,  sent to me from an Australian pal....

   President Trump was visiting a primary school in Washington and attending a grade four class.

They were in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.

The teacher asked President Trump if he would like to lead the discussion on the word 'tragedy.'

So our illustrious President asked the class for an example of a 'tragedy'.

One little boy stood up and offered: "If my best friend, who lives on a farm, is playing in the field and a tractor runs him over and kills him, that would be a tragedy."

"No," said the President, "that would be an accident."

A little girl raised her hand: "If a school bus carrying 50 children drove off a cliff, killing everyone, that would be a tragedy."

"I'm afraid not," explained Trump. "That's what we would call a great loss."

The room went silent. No other child volunteered. The President searched the room. "Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?"

Finally at the back of the room, Little Johnny raised his hand. The teacher held her breath.

In a quiet voice he said: "If the plane carrying you was struck by a 'friendly fire' missile and blown to smithereens that would be a tragedy."

"Fantastic!" exclaimed Trump , "That's right. And can you tell me why that would be a tragedy?"

"Well," says Little Johnny, "It has to be a tragedy, because it sure as hell wouldn't be a great loss ... and you can bet your sweet ass it wouldn't be an accident either!"
   
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43586 on: July 20, 2020, 10:57:38 AM »

And the Trumpists think it’s great because first thing these powers will be used against those brown people. They are too dense to imagine that these powers could be used to enact policies they don’t support.


Brown people?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43587 on: July 20, 2020, 11:07:07 AM »

A bunch of Covidiots in Ohio:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/19/coronavirus-ohio-anti-mask-crowd-rallies-statehouse-saturday/5468011002/?fbclid=IwAR16qKze1BYgCE44JMH9aT3tRNoWpq-r78TH26F0s3u1lLz7vN5zllsJ5cE



They said infection and mortality data are being manipulated.




It's what they believe

And their right to believe it

In time they could be proven correct

Are they still being too unsafe with their actions?  Yes, of course - that could be as well.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43588 on: July 20, 2020, 11:25:02 AM »

Somebody opened fire on the home of a federal district judge in NJ, killing her son and injuring her husband.

Thus far, no announced motives or suspects.

But... "Salas is the judge on the case against Deutsche Bank in regards to Jeffrey Epstein, Karimi v. Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft et al."

I could see that as motive.
For what?

Sadly this is a story for about 15 minutes.

Where are the gun control folks on this one?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43589 on: July 20, 2020, 11:26:58 AM »

Why don't use just assume the "gun control folks" make the same arguments with every shooting?

Certainly the anti "gun control folks" do.
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