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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bambu-wisdom]

Amazing! "Trump's travel and immigration ban" wouldn't have kept out the 9/11 terrorists.

True.
But it sure makes terror attacks in America less likely.
Pity the 'Boston bombers' hadn't been prevented from entering [and booted out as soon as Russia warned the US about them.]

[bambu-wisdom]

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/08/australias-refugee-deal-a-farce-after-us-rejects-all-iranian-and-somali-asylum-seekers

May 2018

Donald Trump’s Muslim travel ban is influencing Australia’s offshore processing system – with all Iranian and Somali refugees rejected for resettlement in the US.
The third version of Donald Trump’s travel ban bars or limits entry to citizens of five Muslim-majority countries – Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen – as well as North Korea.

About 150 refugees held in offshore processing on the island of Nauru have appointments with US officials this week, where they will discover final assessments of whether they have been accepted by America. So far, every Iranian and Somali applicant has been rejected.

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Many callers to my no 1 radio station, and some of the hosts, say that they would never have agreed to the deal if they'd been US President.

[josh]

Amazing! "Trump's travel and immigration ban" wouldn't have kept out the 9/11 terrorists.

True.
But it sure makes terror attacks in America less likely.
Pity the 'Boston bombers' hadn't been prevented from entering [and booted out as soon as Russia warned the US about them.]

Wouldn't have stopped them, either.

Keep going.

[REDSTATEWARD]

There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about abortion issues.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary. Collusion is legal.


Each defense has lasted until facts emerged to render it inoperative.

Your conclusion is the inoperative.
Nothing on your list points to a crime.
Without a crime no one, let alone POTUS, can be subpoenaed.
Without a crime Impeachment won’t happen.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Speaking of lying Republicans...

https://www.flanewsonline.com/howard-faked-her-diploma/amp/

Fake education record. Then fake diploma.

Sad.

But predictable fir the party of no ethics.

[Hamilton Samuels]

There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about abortion issues.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary. Collusion is legal.


Each defense has lasted until facts emerged to render it inoperative.

Your conclusion is the inoperative.
Nothing on your list points to a crime.
Without a crime no one, let alone POTUS, can be subpoenaed.
Without a crime Impeachment won’t happen.

Don’t be fooled by word games,” Victoria Nourse, a professor at Georgetown Law, told us via email. “There is no legal term ‘collusion.’ The legal term for collusion is the crime of conspiracy. If you agree to kill someone and take a step toward that (hired the killer, or encouraged the killer, met with the killer) you are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

“So, if you agree to defraud the U.S. or disrupt the elections (even if it’s not with the Russians) and you take a step forward (any step….meetings, payments etc.), that’s conspiracy,” Nourse said.

Stephen Schulhofer, a law professor at New York University, said the act of collusion can be either benign or criminal, depending on the circumstance.

“One of the most commonly used provisions of the U.S. Code, 18 USC §371, makes it a federal crime for two or more people to conspire ‘to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose,'” Schulhofer told us via email. “Agreeing (colluding) with someone for a perfectly lawful purpose, like arranging a game of golf or tennis, is not a crime. But colluding with the Russians, i.e. agreeing to cooperate, encourage or assist them in any way in pursuing anything they were doing that was illegal, is most certainly a crime.”

From USA today.

Since POTUS knew about the meeting...well, you know

RedstateWRONG.

[josh]

There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about adoption issues.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary. Collusion is legal.


Each defense has lasted until facts emerged to render it inoperative.

Your conclusion is the inoperative.
Nothing on your list points to a crime.
Without a crime no one, let alone POTUS, can be subpoenaed.
Without a crime Impeachment won’t happen.

What conclusion did I reach? That each defense has lasted until...? That one is operative. You offered nothing to counter them.

Lying to federal investigators is illegal.

There is no requirement for a crime for the president to be impeached, Red. It's a political process and if the House decided to impeach, they could impeach. While I might prefer that a crime be required, that's not how the process works. Congress can make up its own mind and there is no fall back.

And of course the president can be subpoenaed! There doesn't need to have been a crime, merely an accusation of a crime - and the House and Senate investigations don't even need that.

But there are crimes, Red, despite your inability to admit it. Further, your insistence that what I listed doesn't point to a crime is exactly wrong. This sort of attempt at deception suggests that there was a crime, or as you would put it, "points to a crime." Meeting with the Russians with the intention of getting information to impact the election is a crime.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Outside of some other possibilities, this is why Trump won’t release his tax returns.

The fiasco of democrats jousting with the Emlouments Windmill would certainly be a 24/7 futile exercise if Trump’s tax returns were available.

The hyped benefits are, so far, all hype.  Republicans sold the cut as primarily a booster for middle class wages. Wages this year haven’t kept up with inflation, so real wages have gone down in 2018, especially for people below the top 25%. 

Wrong. Real wages have gone UP for everyone along with the GDP while unemployment has gone DOWN. Any rise in inflation does not change that.  But I notice your faulty logic begs the question “ “ what if there were no tax cuts while inflation went up”?

The same people Paul Ryan & Co. promised big raises to (remember that $4,000/year number?) haven’t seen squat while stock buybacks set records.  People who don’t pay attention to the daily back and forth of politics notice when they look at their paychecks once or twice a month and see that they have been lied to.

LOL. More people now have paychecks to look at thanks to the tax cuts

Democrats have done a good job articulating the trade-offs, and (accurately) describing Republican priorities.  I think it was Connor Lamb who had the ad that highlighted how quickly Ryan pivoted from passing the $1.5 Trillion tax cut to proposing cuts in social spending.

the increase in Social Spending was the democrats’ price tag for the tax cuts.

Republicans spent 8 years hyping the dangers of a deficit, and while they are strangely silent on that now, people remember.  And no one who isn’t a deeply indoctrinated right winger believes the bullshit that tax cuts pay for themselves anymore.

Hypocrisy, squared. Hillary ran on eliminating energy jobs and higher taxes.  Trump ran on lowering taxes and preserving energy jobs.

Sorry for quoting the entirety of an entirely useless response, but I can’t cut out the bit where REDSTATEWARD says a rise in inflation doesn’t change real wages so that I can point out that real wages by definition adjust for inflation.

When a “raise” doesn’t result in an increase in buying power it’s not really a raise. And when you are in over your head in a discussion REDSTATEWARD, best sit there quietly and learn something.

[luee]

The real news from the last couple days is that Luee and Kid are now quoting The Atlantic.   One has to wonder if they get past the opening paragraph, though...

  By historical standards, this isn’t a “mass movement.” It’s the opposite. And illegal immigration is unlikely to return to the levels of the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s anytime soon for one simple, and under appreciated, reason: Mexican women are having fewer children. Since the early 2000s, the number of Mexicans being caught at the border has collapsed. Even a strengthening U.S. economy hasn’t lifted the numbers, because the young Mexican men who in past decades crossed the border today don’t exist in the same numbers. That’s because, since 1960, the Mexican birthrate has dropped from almost seven children per mother to just over two. Which means the pool of potential migrants is far smaller.
Migrants are still coming from violence-plagued Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador. The children Trump separated from their parents are overwhelmingly Central American. But Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador don’t have large populations. Combined, they contain about one-quarter as many people as Mexico. Frum and Sullivan both link America’s immigration crisis to Europe’s. But in scale, the problems are quite different. Europe is near large countries with high fertility rates. (The fertility rate is close to three in the Middle East and North Africa and near five in sub-Saharan Africa). The United States is not....   

The US is in a lot better and more secure situation because the immigration laws are being enforced. Which of the Latin American countries persecutes because of religious or political beliefs? In Muslim countries it is just a matter of which group is more violent and xenophobic. Love thy neighbor and separation of church and state is not part of their belief matrix.

[LarryBnDC]

There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about abortion issues.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary. Collusion is legal.


Each defense has lasted until facts emerged to render it inoperative.

Your conclusion is the inoperative.
Nothing on your list points to a crime.
Without a crime no one, let alone POTUS, can be subpoenaed.
Without a crime Impeachment won’t happen.

Fool...

[LarryBnDC]

Probably the most important event of the week:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter

[REDSTATEWARD]

Outside of some other possibilities, this is why Trump won’t release his tax returns.

The fiasco of democrats jousting with the Emlouments Windmill would certainly be a 24/7 futile exercise if Trump’s tax returns were available.

The hyped benefits are, so far, all hype.  Republicans sold the cut as primarily a booster for middle class wages. Wages this year haven’t kept up with inflation, so real wages have gone down in 2018, especially for people below the top 25%. 

Wrong. Real wages have gone UP for everyone along with the GDP while unemployment has gone DOWN. Any rise in inflation does not change that.  But I notice your faulty logic begs the question “ “ what if there were no tax cuts while inflation went up”?

The same people Paul Ryan & Co. promised big raises to (remember that $4,000/year number?) haven’t seen squat while stock buybacks set records.  People who don’t pay attention to the daily back and forth of politics notice when they look at their paychecks once or twice a month and see that they have been lied to.

LOL. More people now have paychecks to look at thanks to the tax cuts

Democrats have done a good job articulating the trade-offs, and (accurately) describing Republican priorities.  I think it was Connor Lamb who had the ad that highlighted how quickly Ryan pivoted from passing the $1.5 Trillion tax cut to proposing cuts in social spending.

the increase in Social Spending was the democrats’ price tag for the tax cuts.

Republicans spent 8 years hyping the dangers of a deficit, and while they are strangely silent on that now, people remember.  And no one who isn’t a deeply indoctrinated right winger believes the bullshit that tax cuts pay for themselves anymore.

Hypocrisy, squared. Hillary ran on eliminating energy jobs and higher taxes.  Trump ran on lowering taxes and preserving energy jobs.

Sorry for quoting the entirety of an entirely useless response, but I can’t cut out the bit where REDSTATEWARD says a rise in inflation doesn’t change real wages so that I can point out that real wages by definition adjust for inflation.

When a “raise” doesn’t result in an increase in buying power it’s not really a raise. And when you are in over your head in a discussion REDSTATEWARD, best sit there quietly and learn something.

you seem to overlook the obvious that going from no job TO a job means a big raise, while you duck the also-obvious that even though a growing economy often stirs up inflation the wage increases and lower taxes boosted consumer spending the largest sector affecting GDP.
You also are oblivious to the news that despite a tax cut for individuals the CBO says tax revenues for the first 10 months of 2018 are HIGHER than last year by 8 per cent or 104 Billion dollars.
The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.
But the bottom line is even with a tax cut for individuals withholding from paychecks increased by $32 billion, which “largely reflects increases in wages and salaries.”(CBO).
It probably shocks you that a faster-growing economy employs more people who make more money.
Which is exactly what has happened.

[kiidcarter8]

There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Not sure anyone ever said this

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Yeah.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about abortion issues.

May have been discussed

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Yeah

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Promised?

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary.

Which may be why it is done all the time

Each defense has lasted.

No real need for any defense

[kiidcarter8]

Probably the most important event of the week:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter

Black Likes Matter voters?  Is that a thing, Cable Guy?

[kiidcarter8]

Best idea is not to give mechanics the keys to planes...that way they won't be able to fly them away.

Wouldn't surprise me if every terrorist in town will be training now as a mechanic and flying planes from the ground at airports.
...or posing as pilots, etc.

No hijacking needed...just climb aboard and fly away, into buildings or any other desired targets.

Anyone able to get into the area the plane was taken from has to pass a slew of background checks

Your worry at this time is quite misplaced.