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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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josh

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26145 on: January 10, 2020, 02:43:49 AM »

When did it become acceptable to kill a top leader of a country we aren’t even at war with?

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Strongly held views are unlikely to change regarding the morality and tactical wisdom of President Trump’s decision to kill Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani as he traveled on a road outside the Baghdad airport after having arrived on a commercial flight. But the debate regarding the long-term impact of this act on America’s place in the world, and the potential vulnerability of U.S. government officials to similar reprisals, has just begun.

How did it become acceptable to assassinate one of the top military officers of a country with whom we are not formally at war during a public visit to a third country that had no opposition to his presence? And what precedent has this assassination established on the acceptable conduct of nation-states toward military leaders of countries with which we might have strong disagreement short of actual war — or for their future actions toward our own people?
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The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress, and he became the judge and jury." ~Lindsey Graham

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26147 on: January 10, 2020, 04:57:54 AM »

When did it become acceptable to kill a top leader of a country we aren’t even at war with?

asked by Reagan's Sec'y of the Navy

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Strongly held views are unlikely to change regarding the morality and tactical wisdom of President Trump’s decision to kill Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani as he traveled on a road outside the Baghdad airport after having arrived on a commercial flight. But the debate regarding the long-term impact of this act on America’s place in the world, and the potential vulnerability of U.S. government officials to similar reprisals, has just begun.

How did it become acceptable to assassinate one of the top military officers of a country with whom we are not formally at war during a public visit to a third country that had no opposition to his presence? And what precedent has this assassination established on the acceptable conduct of nation-states toward military leaders of countries with which we might have strong disagreement short of actual war — or for their future actions toward our own people?

9/11 changed everything.
The war on terror has not ended yet.
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« Reply #26148 on: January 10, 2020, 05:19:51 AM »

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-department-iran-terrorism-isis-al-qaeda

State Department says Iran still biggest state sponsor of terror, spends $1B per year on proxies

Iran is still the "world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism" and Al Qaeda wants to reestablish itself as the "vanguard of the global jihadist movement," the State Department said in its Country Reports on Terrorism 2018, which was released Friday.
The Tehran regime has spent nearly $1 billion per year to support terror groups "that serve as its proxies and expand its malign influence across the globe," the State Department said. Those groups include Hezbollah, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

Iran has also plotted its own terrorist acts around the globe, most notably in Belgium, France, and Germany, according to the department.

Al Qaeda continued to fester in 2018, as well.


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Well there you go.
No degree from Harvard needed for this one either.

My favourite Harvard Law School student is 'Bruiser Woods'.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26149 on: January 10, 2020, 08:30:30 AM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26150 on: January 10, 2020, 09:02:14 AM »

Backing?  I haven't donated - no.

Because that is the only definition by which one could back somebody. Uh huh. Sure.



Elections involve choices

My choice, admittedly, was Trump over Clinton
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26151 on: January 10, 2020, 09:14:14 AM »

In the last 30 months of President Obama’s term, manufacturing employment grew by 185,000 or 1.5%. In President Trump’s first 30 months, manufacturers added 499,000 jobs, expanding by 4.0%. In the same 30-month time span during the mature, post-recovery phase of the business cycle, some 314,000 more manufacturing jobs were added under Trump than under Obama, a 170% advantage.


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26152 on: January 10, 2020, 09:43:56 AM »

State Department says Iran still biggest state sponsor of terror, spends $1B per year on proxies

Iranian proxies. 
Hezbollah is one of the major political parties in Lebanon.
They also have a military force which is stronger than the Lebanese Army, and is the main deterrent to keep Israel form attacking./invading again.

In Syria, Hezbollah and the Revolution Guards operate at the invitation of the Syrian Gov't.  They've helped quell the rebellion.
And were helpful in stomping out ISIS in Syria.

In Iraq, a number of Shiite militias that Iran supports have been enfolded into the Iraqi army though they still mostly operate separately.  The Iraqi military leader killed with Suleimani was head of these forces.

Now, you and Trump might not like Iran or their friends, but in all cases they are operating legitimately within the legal frameworks of these neighboring countries.

I think Iran's involvement and funding for the Houthis in Yemen is exaggerated by the US and Israel.  Of course, we support and sell arms (death products) to the Saudis who are bombing the hell out of poor Yemenis, resulting in the worst humanitarian crisis today.

Somehow when the Saudis are doing it, it's not state terrorism.  Same when the US assassinates by drone a foreign country's general.  Suleimani was in Iraq by invitation.  Are US generals legit targets when they fly into Iraq?  (Iran hasn't done half the crazy ish Saudi Arabia has done the past few years)

How about when Israel bombs some part of Syria or Lebanon or Iraq, which they do frequently.  Isn't that state sponsored terrorism?  Or not, because it's our ally doing it.

Israel just bombed some Iranian allied forces along the Syrian/Iraqi border.  Watch out for Israel.  Netanyahu is beyond desperate.  And has been dying to get the US to go to war with Iran for a decade or so.  Wouldn't put it past Netanyahu to stir things up, bomb Iranian forces and try to get Iran to retaliate while Trump has brought US retaliation and war to the front.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26153 on: January 10, 2020, 09:50:23 AM »

Backing?  I haven't donated - no.

Because that is the only definition by which one could back somebody. Uh huh. Sure.

Troll.

You keep calling him a troll.   If he is,  why continue to engage? 

His response didn't seem like trolling to me.   It could be interpreted as he is not donating because he hasn't made up his mind.   Just a thought.
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« Reply #26154 on: January 10, 2020, 09:56:26 AM »

I think democracy is collapsing in the world because it's inherently flawed - most nations have no majority of informed citizens who will be swayed by facts and logic.

"Democracy is the worst system of government ... except for all the others"
 -  CHurchill
(quoted from memory, so not sure it's 100% exact)

I thought of Winnie when I wrote that.  Chomsky hadn't come up with anarcho-syndicalism when W said that.   Not that anyone's really tried it.   

edit:  somebody,  Proudhon,  had laid out the basic principles of A-S before W said that,  so my bad.   It was developed by 1910.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26155 on: January 10, 2020, 10:10:32 AM »

Everything is transactional with this prick. Those airline passengers are dead because of this bastard.


“Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate, associates said.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-new-national-security-team-made-fast-work-of-iran-strike-11578619195
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« Reply #26156 on: January 10, 2020, 11:56:39 AM »

Where is NeedsAdj. ?

Winnie would have pooh-ed on anarcho-syndicalism.   
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26157 on: January 10, 2020, 12:21:45 PM »

Everything is transactional with this prick. Those airline passengers are dead because of this bastard.


“Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate, associates said.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-new-national-security-team-made-fast-work-of-iran-strike-11578619195

Associates.
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« Reply #26158 on: January 10, 2020, 12:25:27 PM »

Everything is transactional with this prick. Those airline passengers are dead because of this bastard.


“Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate, associates said.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-new-national-security-team-made-fast-work-of-iran-strike-11578619195

Associates.

Crooks, thugs, grifters. He has driven everyone else away. Only true scumbags still surround his moldering corpse.

Speaking of moldering thugs, our Friend Bill Barr, called out by the bar

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1910654

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #26159 on: January 10, 2020, 12:25:58 PM »

No need to ever stand for death to America celebrations or hostage situations or continuously sponsored terror attacks. Yes in the age of 9-11 and nukes one cannot be too PC. Peace in our time did not work for Chamberlain or Carter. The Ayatollah just got slapped around by his daddy.
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