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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[barton]

Bambi,  facts don't exist in isolation.   Sometimes you add several together.  Average temps in Australia went up over a degree Celsius in one century.   (usually,  in interglacial periods,  this takes thousands of years)  Marine water temps also rose,  with results of coral reef damage (again,  not in a normal cycle).   Greenhouse gases rapidly increasing, all specifically traceable (through spectrometer analysis and other reliable methods) to human sources.   NOx from tailpipes,  for example.   (the x signifies two forms of nitrogen oxide)   Species migration to new habitats.  Again,  over a very short period,  due to unprecedented rates of change.   Ice melting (the rate of melt is,  again,  part of a very solid body of evidence).   Positive feedback effects -  another fact that adds to your understanding of the science:  when highly reflective ice vanishes,  and is replaced with darker,  more energy-absorbing land surface or open ocean,  that area of earth is now accumulating heat energy that was formerly reflected back into space.  So overall heat retention accelerates.   This changes oceanic currents and drives hotter dryer weather in Australia.

So,  when the rate of drought and resulting bush fires picks up, that's a fact that EXISTS IN RELATION TO OTHER ALREADY WELL ESTABLISHED FACTS ABOUT ABNORMAL RATES OF CLIMATIC CHANGE,  NOT BY ITSELF.   It's like a trial in court, where there are MULTIPLE LINES OF EVIDENCE.

Thank you for that.
What to do about it? Australia has to live? Gotta keep the lights on and aircon running.
Average Joe is broke, stores are broke, closing down everywhere.
Federal govt is trying to stay afloat, trying to have a budget surplus. Trying to pay for all the free stuff the People demand.


Instead of commuting by car to office towers, people could work from home...all they need is a phone/s, computer/s, office supplies, filing cabinet etc.
Sell the office towers for housing.
Car pooling with co-workers, ...cramped up, hot, stuffy, talk talk talk, bad drivers, horrible music, dirty feet, coughing, sniffling etc, loud voices, ….misery in the extreme.

1 - mass transit (electric rail has been a viable mature technology for a century)

2 - more natural light in houses and public buildings and offices

3 - energy-efficient swamp coolers instead of conventional compressor ACs

4 - earthtube cooling

5 - telecommuting (subsidize home office equipage with money saved in needing less office building space)

6 - new work dress codes allowing lighter attire in hot climates,  which means office thermostat can be set five degrees higher,  and also makes walk/bike home a more comfortable choice

6a - subsidize lower-emissions concrete production to get factories up and running

7 - brainstorming positive measures rather than negative focus on "misery"

8 - recruit homeless people to plant foliage that absorbs pollutants and carbon,  providing small apartments near the planting projects for them

9 - rebate on auto registration and fees to carpoolers

10 - annual bonus check to drivers of electric cars,  since they cost the nation less in fuel infrastructure and pollution damage

I could go on.   As Fred Rogers said,  "the greatest nation in the world is Imagi-nation. "

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/18/us/santa-rosa-homeless-camp/index.html

[barton]

Here is your post to which I responded later:

Nobody is arguing with you idiots

Its still a natural fucking disaster

Made worse by man?

Sure - and in more ways than one.  You seem to get pissed off that one of the ways is not fully labeled by everyone - but also dismiss the other (arson, poor planning to combat the fire, etc)

All climate change all the time is what is annoying as fucking hell,  See it as PART of a developing worldwide problem - a concern that needs immediate measure - rather than a means to the end of the world withing ten years - and we will all get along better.

And here is my responding post, again:

Where in my post did I say that arson couldn't also be starting fires?  And planning problems slowing their control?

Where did I say that it doesn't need immediate worldwide attention?   Like the Paris Accord,  perhaps you recall most nations signing on to that?  And who opposed that,  BTW?   

If you can point to where I've said anything you just attributed, please let me know. 

Again, still waiting for you to point me towards the post in which I said the remarks you have attributed to me. 

And, I assume you can explain why incidents of arson or bush mismanagement in Australia (or California, or anywhere) somehow invalidate all the other causative factors in areas where the climate is warming and drying and making natural wildfires easier to happen. 

At this point, you need to respond to my post, since you have alleged remarks from me that I would never make and which would be false. 

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/mike-pence-senate-impeachment-op-ed/index.html

Mike Pence thinks Democratic senators should acquit Trump.

Why not? A few in the House did.

Meanwhile check Ms Pelosi's performance on Bill Maher last night, crowing how "he will ALWAYS be impeached, no matter what happens now"

Good Lord, woman.

(Great episode, by the way.  Yang was fantastic.)

[bambu.]

Bambi,  facts don't exist in isolation.   Sometimes you add several together.  Average temps in Australia went up over a degree Celsius in one century.   (usually,  in interglacial periods,  this takes thousands of years)  Marine water temps also rose,  with results of coral reef damage (again,  not in a normal cycle).   Greenhouse gases rapidly increasing, all specifically traceable (through spectrometer analysis and other reliable methods) to human sources.   NOx from tailpipes,  for example.   (the x signifies two forms of nitrogen oxide)   Species migration to new habitats.  Again,  over a very short period,  due to unprecedented rates of change.   Ice melting (the rate of melt is,  again,  part of a very solid body of evidence).   Positive feedback effects -  another fact that adds to your understanding of the science:  when highly reflective ice vanishes,  and is replaced with darker,  more energy-absorbing land surface or open ocean,  that area of earth is now accumulating heat energy that was formerly reflected back into space.  So overall heat retention accelerates.   This changes oceanic currents and drives hotter dryer weather in Australia.

So,  when the rate of drought and resulting bush fires picks up, that's a fact that EXISTS IN RELATION TO OTHER ALREADY WELL ESTABLISHED FACTS ABOUT ABNORMAL RATES OF CLIMATIC CHANGE,  NOT BY ITSELF.   It's like a trial in court, where there are MULTIPLE LINES OF EVIDENCE.

Thank you for that.
What to do about it? Australia has to live? Gotta keep the lights on and aircon running.
Average Joe is broke, stores are broke, closing down everywhere.
Federal govt is trying to stay afloat, trying to have a budget surplus. Trying to pay for all the free stuff the People demand.


Instead of commuting by car to office towers, people could work from home...all they need is a phone/s, computer/s, office supplies, filing cabinet etc.
Sell the office towers for housing.
Car pooling with co-workers, ...cramped up, hot, stuffy, talk talk talk, bad drivers, horrible music, dirty feet, coughing, sniffling etc, loud voices, ….misery in the extreme.

1 - mass transit (electric rail has been a viable mature technology for a century)

2 - more natural light in houses and public buildings and offices

3 - energy-efficient swamp coolers instead of conventional compressor ACs

4 - earthtube cooling

5 - telecommuting (subsidize home office equipage with money saved in needing less office building space)

6 - new work dress codes allowing lighter attire in hot climates,  which means office thermostat can be set five degrees higher,  and also makes walk/bike home a more comfortable choice

6a - subsidize lower-emissions concrete production to get factories up and running

7 - brainstorming positive measures rather than negative focus on "misery"

8 - recruit homeless people to plant foliage that absorbs pollutants and carbon,  providing small apartments near the planting projects for them

9 - rebate on auto registration and fees to carpoolers

10 - annual bonus check to drivers of electric cars,  since they cost the nation less in fuel infrastructure and pollution damage

I could go on.   As Fred Rogers said,  "the greatest nation in the world is Imagi-nation. "

Pray tell, what is a 'swamp cooler'?...and what is 'earth tube cooling'?

The measures you listed are all good ideas.
If ScoMo listed them as solutions to the 'climate emergency', the protesters would laugh at him and still want him sacked.
They want climate change solved ...now...now, this very minute, or by next week.
… like he's responsible for the climate changing.

What he should do is announce some pie in the sky emissions target, say "100% renewables by 2030".
He probably won't make it past the next election the way he's going, let alone be in office in 2030.
Then, if he were still PM in 2030 and the targets hadn't been reached, blame it on someone else.
"Always blame someone else" - bambu.

Car pooling...I omitted 'politics' … which could add more misery.

Imagine if the car poolers hated MAGA, and you were wearing a MAGA hat!

[facilitatorn]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/mike-pence-senate-impeachment-op-ed/index.html

Mike Pence thinks Democratic senators should acquit Trump.

Why not? A few in the House did.

Meanwhile check Ms Pelosi's performance on Bill Maher last night, crowing how "he will ALWAYS be impeached, no matter what happens now"

Good Lord, woman.

(Great episode, by the way.  Yang was fantastic.)

Some stains never wash out. Trump is a clear and present danger to freedom and the rule of law since he trurned the republican party into his collective submissive little bitch. Now that he’s been tarred, it doesn’t matter whether or not he is feathered so long as he is run out of town on a rail.

[bambu.]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/mike-pence-senate-impeachment-op-ed/index.html

Mike Pence thinks Democratic senators should acquit Trump.

Why not? A few in the House did.

Meanwhile check Ms Pelosi's performance on Bill Maher last night, crowing how "he will ALWAYS be impeached, no matter what happens now"

Good Lord, woman.

(Great episode, by the way.  Yang was fantastic.)

Some stains never wash out. Trump is a clear and present danger to freedom and the rule of law since he trurned the republican party into his collective submissive little bitch. Now that he’s been tarred, it doesn’t matter whether or not he is feathered so long as he is run out of town on a rail.

He's 'good value' though;

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/trump-fires-back-after-iranian-leader-condemns-him-on-twitter-make-iran-great-again/ar-BBZ5rhM?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000

Trump fires back after Iranian leader condemns him on Twitter: 'Make Iran Great Again!'

President Trump sent a scathing indictment of Iran's leadership on Friday when he told Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei to stop killing his people and to make his country "great again."

"The noble people of Iran -- who love America -- deserve a government that's more interested in helping them achieve their dreams than killing them for demanding respect," Trump tweeted.

"Instead of leading Iran toward ruin, its leaders should abandon terror and Make Iran Great Again!" the president added.

[LarryBnDC]

Most recently and very significantly, the Australian was responsible for mistakenly reporting that, as wildfires have swept Australia in recent months, the number of people supposedly arrested for lighting fires was 183. The real figure was 24 charged with deliberately setting fires, with the 183 number including fire-related charges such as discarding cigarette butts and irresponsible barbeques. This post, along with a tweet from the right-leaning news outlet Seven News also exaggerating the role of arson in the ongoing bushfires, went viral worldwide, feeding a right-wing conspiracy theory that the fires were lit by eco-terrorists trying to fake climate disasters. Australian police exasperatedly insist arson is not a major cause of the disaster, and it is a moot point, anyway. Climate change makes fire spread quicker and through a larger area, rather than igniting blazes.






https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/14/news-corp-murdoch-fires-australia-ready-break-cycle-climate-change-denial/

[barton]

Stop pestering Kid with facts.   It just makes him fussy, especially when his bottle is late.
It's hard for the little ones who are deprived of natural suckling. 

[kiidcarter8]

Stop pestering Kid with facts.   It just makes him fussy, especially when his bottle is late.


You immaturely lose again.

[kiidcarter8]

Climate change makes fire spread quicker and through a larger area, rather than igniting blazes.

Well said

[kiidcarter8]

President Trump sent a scathing indictment of Iran's leadership on Friday when he told Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei to stop killing his people and to make his country "great again."

"The noble people of Iran -- who love America -- deserve a government that's more interested in helping them achieve their dreams than killing them for demanding respect," Trump tweeted.

"Instead of leading Iran toward ruin, its leaders should abandon terror and Make Iran Great Again!" the president added.

Beautifully stated.  Not sure why you posted it.  But thanks

[facilitatorn]

He wants people to think they’ll miss trump when he’s in prison.

We won’t.

[josh]

Nobody is arguing with you idiots

What message board have you been reading, dimbulb?

Bambi has been arguing with us all the way along, insisting originally that there was no climate change and now that climate change is all natural and a part of the cycle, since the climate is always changing and always has been.

And you? You just agreed with him, which prompted my response to you.

[josh]

Bambi,  facts don't exist in isolation.   Sometimes you add several together.  Average temps in Australia went up over a degree Celsius in one century.   (usually,  in interglacial periods,  this takes thousands of years)  Marine water temps also rose,  with results of coral reef damage (again,  not in a normal cycle).   Greenhouse gases rapidly increasing, all specifically traceable (through spectrometer analysis and other reliable methods) to human sources.   NOx from tailpipes,  for example.   (the x signifies two forms of nitrogen oxide)   Species migration to new habitats.  Again,  over a very short period,  due to unprecedented rates of change.   Ice melting (the rate of melt is,  again,  part of a very solid body of evidence).   Positive feedback effects -  another fact that adds to your understanding of the science:  when highly reflective ice vanishes,  and is replaced with darker,  more energy-absorbing land surface or open ocean,  that area of earth is now accumulating heat energy that was formerly reflected back into space.  So overall heat retention accelerates.   This changes oceanic currents and drives hotter dryer weather in Australia.

So,  when the rate of drought and resulting bush fires picks up, that's a fact that EXISTS IN RELATION TO OTHER ALREADY WELL ESTABLISHED FACTS ABOUT ABNORMAL RATES OF CLIMATIC CHANGE,  NOT BY ITSELF.   It's like a trial in court, where there are MULTIPLE LINES OF EVIDENCE.

Thank you for that.
What to do about it? Australia has to live? Gotta keep the lights on and aircon running.
Average Joe is broke, stores are broke, closing down everywhere.
Federal govt is trying to stay afloat, trying to have a budget surplus. Trying to pay for all the free stuff the People demand.


Instead of commuting by car to office towers, people could work from home...all they need is a phone/s, computer/s, office supplies, filing cabinet etc.
Sell the office towers for housing.
Car pooling with co-workers, ...cramped up, hot, stuffy, talk talk talk, bad drivers, horrible music, dirty feet, coughing, sniffling etc, loud voices, ….misery in the extreme.

1 - mass transit (electric rail has been a viable mature technology for a century)

2 - more natural light in houses and public buildings and offices

3 - energy-efficient swamp coolers instead of conventional compressor ACs

4 - earthtube cooling

5 - telecommuting (subsidize home office equipage with money saved in needing less office building space)

6 - new work dress codes allowing lighter attire in hot climates,  which means office thermostat can be set five degrees higher,  and also makes walk/bike home a more comfortable choice

6a - subsidize lower-emissions concrete production to get factories up and running

7 - brainstorming positive measures rather than negative focus on "misery"

8 - recruit homeless people to plant foliage that absorbs pollutants and carbon,  providing small apartments near the planting projects for them

9 - rebate on auto registration and fees to carpoolers

10 - annual bonus check to drivers of electric cars,  since they cost the nation less in fuel infrastructure and pollution damage

I could go on.   As Fred Rogers said,  "the greatest nation in the world is Imagi-nation. "

Pray tell, what is a 'swamp cooler'?...and what is 'earth tube cooling'?

https://just-fucking-google.it/