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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

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A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

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More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

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A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

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DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

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Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

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These laws work. A 2017 study compared jurisdictions with and without mandates, finding that cold and flu disease rates decreased after workers gained access to paid sick leave, declining as much as 40 percent during flu season.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/486015-america-needs-paid-sick-leave-laws-to-stop-coronavirus-from-spreading

[LarryBnDC]

The mandated paid sick leave is an excellent one.  Two nations in the world don't have this:  the USA, and Papua New Guinea.  Hmm.

How does paid sick leave stop the spread of the coronavirus?

There is a testing shortage.
Therefore, people who are sick are urged not to come into work regardless of what they may be sick of.  There is no way of telling.
People without sick leave would be more likely to decide to stay at work, telling themselves it’s the regular flu, or seasonal allergies.
Some of those people will actually have COVID-19 and will therefore spread the virus to their coworkers.
Removing the incentive to work despite feeling symptoms will slow the virus spread because more of those people will make the choice to stay home.

Several problems with that logic.
No employee wants to come to work sick and no employer would disagree
But the coronavirus has no symptoms  up to five days before someone is sick.
The States of Washington and California have paid sick leave.  California has the third largest  reported cases. Washington has a large concentration of the disease at a nursing center.
I repeat. How does paid sick leave stop the spread of the coronia virus?

https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/wellness-prevention/flattening-curve-for-covid-19-what-does-it-mean-and-how-can-you-help

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No employee wants to come to work sick and no employer would disagree

An employee would come in to work if they needed the money, and did not have sick leave.

But the coronavirus has no symptoms  up to five days before someone is sick.

And so?  Are you saying the virus can not be transmitted once those symptoms are present?   If you are, that is not correct.

[REDSTATEWARD]

No employee wants to come to work sick and no employer would disagree

An employee would come in to work if they needed the money, and did not have sick leave.

And would be sent home, but you knew that

But the coronavirus has no symptoms  up to five days before someone is sick.

And so?  Are you saying the virus can not be transmitted once those symptoms are present?   If you are, that is not correct.

Irrelevant to the question. An employee with no symptoms and no reason to stay home can spread the virus.  With or without paid leave.

[NeedsAdjustments]

No employee wants to come to work sick and no employer would disagree

An employee would come in to work if they needed the money, and did not have sick leave.

And would be sent home, but you knew that

No, I don't know that an employer would a) know the employee is sick since for many people the symptoms are mild or b) would send them home if they knew.  An "employer" in many/most cases is a salaried manager who may not have been empowered to make that call.

But the coronavirus has no symptoms  up to five days before someone is sick.

And so?  Are you saying the virus can not be transmitted once those symptoms are present?   If you are, that is not correct.

Irrelevant to the question. An employee with no symptoms and no reason to stay home can spread the virus.  With or without paid leave.

An employee with symptoms with reason to stay at work will spread the virus.

Or are you saying that because this one measure can not stop all possible ways of the virus being transmitted even if it would help, we shouldn't bother with it.

So then I guess no need to do testing, either.

[josh]

The mandated paid sick leave is an excellent one.  Two nations in the world don't have this:  the USA, and Papua New Guinea.  Hmm.

How does paid sick leave stop the spread of the coronavirus?

The answer to this is so obvious, I'm seriously hoping this is one of his sealion traps.

So obvious it stumped you.

No.

There is just no point in discussing it with you, Ward, because you cannot and will not engage in a meaningful conversation, no matter what the topic, unless maybe you do it in a sports forum.

[Hairy Lime]

No employee wants to come to work sick and no employer would disagree

An employee would come in to work if they needed the money, and did not have sick leave.

And would be sent home, but you knew that

Not in their world, necessarily,  especially with mild symptoms. Again, you have consistently demonstrated a total lack of understanding or empathy for lives that are not like yours. But you knew that.

But the coronavirus has no symptoms  up to five days before someone is sick.

And so?  Are you saying the virus can not be transmitted once those symptoms are present?   If you are, that is not correct.

Irrelevant to the question. An employee with no symptoms and no reason to stay home can spread the virus.  With or without paid leave.

And then those without paid leave come in sick.

And of course, without paid leave, if you have been exposed to it but are asymptomatic,  you are more likely to come into work than self quarantine.  The right wing web site where you read that argument and thought "Yahtzee!" did not think it through.

[josh]

No employee wants to come to work sick and no employer would disagree

An employee would come in to work if they needed the money, and did not have sick leave.

And would be sent home, but you knew that

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

https://blog.shrm.org/workplace/majority-of-americans-report-to-work-when-sick

Most respondents to a recent CareerBuilder survey—72 percent—said they typically go to work when they are sick.

Whether their bosses or workplace culture pressure them to report to the office when they are ill, or if they’re coming to work because they don’t have paid sick leave, more than half of the survey respondents (55 percent) said they feel guilty if they call in sick.

And mostly, their bosses either approve of it or are unaware of it.

It's gotten worse since th 2011 study, which the newer one notes.

This is from 2019:
https://www.wamc.org/post/study-90-percent-americans-go-work-sick

A new survey shows that rather than calling in, 9 out of 10 employees report to work when they're sick. Even when it’s the flu.   "90 percent of employees surveyed admitted coming to work, at least sometimes, with a cold or flu symptoms. We also found out that 33 percent always come into the office sick."

Northeast District President of human resource consulting firm Accountemps Richard Deosingh  says it’s all too common for employees to come to the office feeling sick when they really should be resting. Why?  3 "Number one, just a workload that they can't accommodate while being out. Number two, maybe their bosses aren't leading by example, meaning when they're sick they come in, so these employees are forced to come in. Number three could very well be the fact that they just don't have the ability to work from home or they don't have paid sick days. Maybe it's grouped into just vacation days, so they don't wanna burn any. It could be any of those reasons."

The survey found more than half of those who report to the office with a cold or the flu said they do so because they have too much work on their plate; another 40 percent don’t want to use sick time.   "In the Northeast, in New York, specifically, 90% of the individuals polled admitted coming to work with some type some type of flu symptom. And in Boston 85% admitted, doing the same. You know, what's interesting is the survey let us to  see that 90% of employees admitted coming to work with a flu symptom, which was actually up. When we last did this survey about two years ago, it was 85%. So that number has crept up."

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The time for containment has passed.  We can not "stop the spread of the virus."  Credible estimates are that at some point in the next year to 18 months 40-70% of Americans will be infected with the virus. 

So the goal right now is to slow the spread of the virus so that our healthcare system is not overwhelmed by an acceleration in cases. 

mandated paid sick leave is an obvious way to do that.  Obvious, that is, to anyone whose brain has not been addled by right-wing FOX news ideology.

[NeedsAdjustments]

I think they are both trying to show that they're incredibly active and aggressive in public, but some of the decisions behind the scenes haven't always reflected the best judgment of career professionals. In the case of Alex Azar, he did go to the president in January. He did push past resistance from the president's political aides to warn the president the new coronavirus could be a major problem. There were aides around Trump - Kellyanne Conway had some skepticism at times that this was something that needed to be a presidential priority.

But at the same time, Secretary Azar has not always given the president the worst-case scenario of what could happen. My understanding is President Trump did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, and that's partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of coronavirus outbreak, and the president had made clear - the lower the numbers on coronavirus, the better for the president, the better for his potential reelection this fall.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/12/814881355/white-house-knew-coronavirus-would-be-a-major-threat-but-response-fell-short

[kidcarter8]

 

GOP in an emergency

http://slate.com/business/2020/03/republicans-think-democrats-coronavirus-bill-is-part-of-a-radical-left-wing-agenda.html

The turtle and the slumlord, Moscow Mitch and Putin’s Puppet, are just another incarnation of the walrus and the carpenter.

Sorry bro.  They ain't getting that weak shit through

[barton]

The mandated paid sick leave is an excellent one.  Two nations in the world don't have this:  the USA, and Papua New Guinea.  Hmm.

How does paid sick leave stop the spread of the coronavirus?

Time for your sardines,  sea lion.   Wow.

[facilitatorn]

GOP in an emergency

http://slate.com/business/2020/03/republicans-think-democrats-coronavirus-bill-is-part-of-a-radical-left-wing-agenda.html

The turtle and the slumlord, Moscow Mitch and Putin’s Puppet, are just another incarnation of the walrus and the carpenter.

Sorry bro.  They ain't getting that weak shit through

Thanks for your input, you slimy salty snack.

[REDSTATEWARD]

No employee wants to come to work sick and no employer would disagree

An employee would come in to work if they needed the money, and did not have sick leave.

And would be sent home, but you knew that

Not in their world, necessarily,  especially with mild symptoms. Again, you have consistently demonstrated a total lack of understanding or empathy for lives that are not like yours. But you knew that.

But the coronavirus has no symptoms  up to five days before someone is sick.

And so?  Are you saying the virus can not be transmitted once those symptoms are present?   If you are, that is not correct.

Irrelevant to the question. An employee with no symptoms and no reason to stay home can spread the virus.  With or without paid leave.

And then those without paid leave come in sick.

And of course, without paid leave, if you have been exposed to it but are asymptomatic,  you are more likely to come into work than self quarantine.  The right wing web site where you read that argument and thought "Yahtzee!" did not think it through.

You can advance any argument you want for paid sick leave.
But it won’t stop the spread of coronavirus as Washington and California demonstrate.

[facilitatorn]

No employee wants to come to work sick and no employer would disagree

An employee would come in to work if they needed the money, and did not have sick leave.

And would be sent home, but you knew that

Not in their world, necessarily,  especially with mild symptoms. Again, you have consistently demonstrated a total lack of understanding or empathy for lives that are not like yours. But you knew that.

But the coronavirus has no symptoms  up to five days before someone is sick.

And so?  Are you saying the virus can not be transmitted once those symptoms are present?   If you are, that is not correct.

Irrelevant to the question. An employee with no symptoms and no reason to stay home can spread the virus.  With or without paid leave.

And then those without paid leave come in sick.

And of course, without paid leave, if you have been exposed to it but are asymptomatic,  you are more likely to come into work than self quarantine.  The right wing web site where you read that argument and thought "Yahtzee!" did not think it through.

You can advance any argument you want for paid sick leave.
But it won’t stop the spread of coronavirus as Washington and California demonstrate.

Premature disinformation. Typical symptom from one with your condition. Little blue pills won’t help.