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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Ohio

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Retail in 2 weeks

- with recommendations, restrictions

[facilitatorn]

There’s not enough testing. Ohio will suffer a trump death spike like Georgia and other badly run states.

You dont think the state senator from Michigan was helped by hydroxychloroquine?

That Brady's Michigan teammate was spared death by use of hydroxychloroquine?

You believe they'd have recovered anyway.

Noted.

You have the analysis backwards. Do you have any evidence other than temporal coincidence, that the Trump wonder drug you have touted in order to help get him reelected helped their recovery, let alone saved their lives.

Kiid just wants trump to be right about one thing, anything at all really. Since this has never happened once in trump’s adult life, Kiid is really grasping at straws.

We’re passing US deaths in the Vietnam War today. Tomorrow, stingy Mitch’s corporate bailout reload will be once again out of money. Millions more Americans will have completed registering their job losses this Thursday. The republicans are proceeding in a methodical and cowardly way to dismantle America killing as many of our people as possible to avoid the repercussions of their lies.   

[kiidcarter8]

You dont think the state senator from Michigan was helped by hydroxychloroquine?

That Brady's Michigan teammate was spared death by use of hydroxychloroquine?

You believe they'd have recovered anyway.

Noted.

You have the analysis backwards. Do you have any evidence other than temporal coincidence, that the Trump wonder drug you have touted in order to help get him reelected helped their recovery, let alone saved their lives.

Yes

The evidence is in common sense.

Why do you rebel so against the idea that the drug may have worked?

[LarryBnDC]

Ohio

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Kill em all! Let God sort em out.

[LarryBnDC]

There’s not enough testing. Ohio will suffer a trump death spike like Georgia and other badly run states.

You dont think the state senator from Michigan was helped by hydroxychloroquine?

That Brady's Michigan teammate was spared death by use of hydroxychloroquine?

You believe they'd have recovered anyway.

Noted.

You have the analysis backwards. Do you have any evidence other than temporal coincidence, that the Trump wonder drug you have touted in order to help get him reelected helped their recovery, let alone saved their lives.

Kiid just wants trump to be right about one thing, anything at all really. Since this has never happened once in trump’s adult life, Kiid is really grasping at straws.

We’re passing US deaths in the Vietnam War today. Tomorrow, stingy Mitch’s corporate bailout reload will be once again out of money. Millions more Americans will have completed registering their job losses this Thursday. The republicans are proceeding in a methodical and cowardly way to dismantle America killing as many of our people as possible to avoid the repercussions of their lies.

January 2017:

"I, Donald J. Trump, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

April 2020:

“I was being sarcastic.”

[Hairy Lime]

You dont think the state senator from Michigan was helped by hydroxychloroquine?

That Brady's Michigan teammate was spared death by use of hydroxychloroquine?

You believe they'd have recovered anyway.

Noted.

You have the analysis backwards. Do you have any evidence other than temporal coincidence, that the Trump wonder drug you have touted in order to help get him reelected helped their recovery, let alone saved their lives.

Yes

The evidence is in common sense.

Why do you rebel so against the idea that the drug may have worked?

I rebel against touting the effectiveness of any untested treatment. There is no valid scientific evidence e that it works. "Common sense" as evidence is the  Dunning-Kruger effect on an epic scale.

[Yankguy1]

The evidence is in common sense.

[kiidcarter8]

New York State begins investigation today into why COvID-19 patients were sent back to nursing homes.  (I'd think NJ may wish to do the same)

Maybe Trump should have taken control of this as well.

[bodiddley]

Sure the drug may have worked.
Or might not have.

You take the anecdotal evidence and run rigorous trials to understand what is real and what is placebo effect or just noise or inaccurate.

Be great if hydroxycholraquine was indeed a valid treatment, as it's relatively plentiful and cheap (I think).  And should have been around long enough that generic versions (cheap) would be permitted.  Plus it's already available throughout Africa.  Remdesivir would be more of a profit-churner, more expensive and more of a hassle to get to everyone who needs it.

Hopefully some anti-virals or donor plasma or whatever works as an effective treatment.  And vaccines come online before next flu season begins.  The medical creativity displayed in treating the virus has been impressive, from improvised ventilator through to the antibody-plasma idea.

[bodiddley]

NY & NJ did a crap job.
Lots of investigating should follow.

[kiidcarter8]

5.68 %

vs

6.95

Rate of deaths, US vs world

[kiidcarter8]

The evidence is in common sense.

yes

some smarter than others

[kiidcarter8]

Sure the drug may have worked.
Or might not have.

You take the anecdotal evidence and run rigorous trials to understand what is real and what is placebo effect or just noise or inaccurate.

Be great if hydroxycholraquine was indeed a valid treatment, as it's relatively plentiful and cheap (I think).  And should have been around long enough that generic versions (cheap) would be permitted.  Plus it's already available throughout Africa.  Remdesivir would be more of a profit-churner, more expensive and more of a hassle to get to everyone who needs it.

Hopefully some anti-virals or donor plasma or whatever works as an effective treatment.  And vaccines come online before next flu season begins.  The medical creativity displayed in treating the virus has been impressive, from improvised ventilator through to the antibody-plasma idea.

You seek a medication that works on everyone - of course.

I have never stated that this does.

But thankfully physicians worldwide agree in its value to MANY and are thus prescribing while also being cautious

[facilitatorn]

The evidence is in common sense.

yes

some smarter than others

Some can tell the difference between wishful thinking and common sense

[barton]

The ability of common sense to misconstrue nature and causality is what led Francis Bacon et al to devise the methods of modern science.   I could write a very long list of common sense beliefs that would include phlogiston, spontaneous generation, the Ptolemaic system (geocentric), Lamarckian heritability,  flat Earth, mercury as safe medicine,  and the superiority of the blue-eyed.   I promised I wouldn't respond directly to the troll a few days ago,  but wow it's impressive how it got everyone explaining the placebo effect all over again for the umpteenth time.