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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Yankguy1]

The policies have created the greatest global economic disruption in history, with trillions of dollars of lost economic output. These financial losses have been falsely portrayed as purely economic. To the contrary, using numerous National Institutes of Health Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables, we calculate that these policies will cause devastating non-economic consequences that will total millions of accumulated years of life lost in the United States, far beyond what the virus itself has caused.



https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

  Oddly, Scott W. Atlas, John R. Birge, Ralphy Keeney and Alexander Lipton don't seem to offer any opinion as to what would have happened if millions of people (here and world wide) would have died if governments did not apply a "COVID-19 mitigation policy of broad societal lockdown focuse[d] on containing the spread of the disease at all costs.

[josh]

The policies have created the greatest global economic disruption in history, with trillions of dollars of lost economic output. These financial losses have been falsely portrayed as purely economic. To the contrary, using numerous National Institutes of Health Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables, we calculate that these policies will cause devastating non-economic consequences that will total millions of accumulated years of life lost in the United States, far beyond what the virus itself has caused.



https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

The authors are wrong that the lockdown was done without consideration of the economic cost and its ramification. The estimate was that on a purely fiscal basis, the cost of lives that would otherwise be lost was greater than the money saved by not shutting down.

The authors are wrong that this was the greatest disruption to the economy ever. It's not even close. They observe that the US GDP fell 5%.

During the first five years of the depression, the economy shrank 50%.

An order of magnitude greater. Yes, over more time, but the first year alone was greater, as well.

Of course, the costs of the 1918-19 pandemic in deaths blew away that 5% figure, as well - setting aside WWI's own costs.

The Hoover Institute's position on this remains notably callous. The careful calculations of years remaining for the elderly and therefore that their lives are worth less is entertaining coming from folks who formerly complained about "Death Panels" arising from Obamacare.

Their facts are wrong and their conclusions therefore easily disproven (to honest readers).

[bodiddley]

These reopenings would be fine if the lockdowns were thorough and complied with the last 2 months.  As it stands, it seems the US is back to winging it and hoping things don't go wrong.   And idiots seem to abound.  Likely to be some outbreaks, with a definite chance of a 2nd wave.  Worrisome.

And if outbreaks occur, are contact tracers in place to clean them up before they really spread?  I'm not optimistic.

[luee]

Along with open border immigration the issue I had personal problems with was the complete disrespect BHO showed toward the VA. Took a major scandal before the nation took notice and even than he defended his inept chosen director. A change in administration had helped greatly until c19. Hardly mentioned by HRC during 2016 but a major point for the Donald.

[josh]

Along with open border immigration the issue I had personal problems with was the complete disrespect BHO showed toward the VA. Took a major scandal before the nation took notice and even than he defended his inept chosen director. A change in administration had helped greatly until c19. Hardly mentioned by HRC during 2016 but a major point for the Donald.

Plenty of examples of how Trump has screwed the veterans has been posted previously, Luee. You've just ignored it.

The COVID-19 crisis merely exacerbated the problem.

And "defended his inept chosen director" could be Trump's middle name.

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.verywellmind.com/understanding-the-narcissistic-sociopath-4587611


America elected a beaut.

One of a kind, that's for sure

That, combined with some serious negatives in his opponent's character and resume, gave him his 4 years.

[barton]

The reason I don't give the Hoover paper much credence is that none of the authors have any background in virology,  epidemiology, or population biology,  and there's no detailed account of the basis for their "calculations."     This is why the paper is full of rookie errors.   The most obvious is comparing data from an actual set of events with a hypothetical set.   Unless the authors traveled to a parallel universe in which no SAH orders were issued,  no stores closed, etc,  then we lack the most crucial data set,  which is how many people would have died due to cv19 in the absence of protective measures.   One has to only look at what happened in Guayaquil,  Ecuador or parts of Brazil to get some sense that losses might have been far more horrific than what Atlas et al are suggesting.   

[Hairy Lime]

These reopenings would be fine if the lockdowns were thorough and complied with the last 2 months.

Or more importantly if we had the nation wide robust testing and contact tracing protocols in place. Which we do not. And if it were not for the fact that there are always assholes partying in the Ozarks, and important government officials who refuse to mask up and denigrate those who do, which makes using social distancing in public places to control spread so problematic.

[bodiddley]

Hillary had one of the best resumes of anyone running for president since ... Madison.

Benghazi! and the email server were very minor issues blown up into E-V-I-L.

Sure could use a competent administrator who understood government this year.

[kiidcarter8]

But the former Obama White House official noted that Trump gets high marks for the economy even amid the downturn, and put the challenge for Democrats bluntly: “I don’t think this is a challenge for the Biden campaign. This is the challenge for the Biden campaign.”




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-pre-election-economic-surge-seal-trump

[bodiddley]

What did Trump do to help the economy?
Or to put it in other terms, how did he "build" it the first time?

Basically the economy continued on the same glide path Obama had set.  You know, the Obama Expansion after the Bush Depression.  Then Trump goosed the economy by adding $1T in debt via corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the rich.  And the effect wasn't that great and wore off quickly, as companies just bought back stock, parked funds in money market accounts, and gave their execs raises and bonuses. 

The other major trump play was to start a trade war with China and screw over the farmers, resulting in a huge and debt-increasing farm bailout.

Please give examples of how Trump created a booming economy.

[LarryBnDC]

Hillary had one of the best resumes of anyone running for president since ... Madison.

Benghazi! and the email server were very minor issues blown up into E-V-I-L.

Sure could use a competent administrator who understood government this year.

[REDSTATEWARD]

The policies have created the greatest global economic disruption in history, with trillions of dollars of lost economic output. These financial losses have been falsely portrayed as purely economic. To the contrary, using numerous National Institutes of Health Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables, we calculate that these policies will cause devastating non-economic consequences that will total millions of accumulated years of life lost in the United States, far beyond what the virus itself has caused.



https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

  Oddly, Scott W. Atlas, John R. Birge, Ralphy Keeney and Alexander Lipton don't seem to offer any opinion as to what would have happened if millions of people (here and world wide) would have died if governments did not apply a "COVID-19 mitigation policy of broad societal lockdown focuse[d] on containing the spread of the disease at all costs.

That would have been speculative, at best, and not very shocking.
The report they did put together relied on facts reported by
National Institutes of Health, Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables.
In just the US alone 38 million people are out of work.
The 100,000 deaths reflect, at minimum, 67,000 people who were not part of the work force.

In most of the remaining cases some never got sick and most of the others returned to work shortly after recovering from mild symptoms.

[luee]

---Veterans, servicemembers and military families are good at seeing the forest for the trees. On issues important to the veteran and military community, President Donald Trump has achieved some major victories.---

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/todaysdebate/2020/05/05/trump-achieves-major-victories-veterans-opposing-view/5173324002/

Uncle Donald has been very good to Luee the veteran. Appeal process going to outside Drs. a big improvement of sticking to cynical VA Drs. Evaluating process of hospitals also much improved.

[LarryBnDC]

The policies have created the greatest global economic disruption in history, with trillions of dollars of lost economic output. These financial losses have been falsely portrayed as purely economic. To the contrary, using numerous National Institutes of Health Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables, we calculate that these policies will cause devastating non-economic consequences that will total millions of accumulated years of life lost in the United States, far beyond what the virus itself has caused.



https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

  Oddly, Scott W. Atlas, John R. Birge, Ralphy Keeney and Alexander Lipton don't seem to offer any opinion as to what would have happened if millions of people (here and world wide) would have died if governments did not apply a "COVID-19 mitigation policy of broad societal lockdown focuse[d] on containing the spread of the disease at all costs.

That would have been speculative, at best, and not very shocking.
The report they did put together relied on facts reported by
National Institutes of Health, Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables.
In just the US alone 38 million people are out of work.
The 100,000 deaths reflect, at minimum, 67,000 people who were not part of the work force.

In most of the remaining cases some never got sick and most of the others returned to work shortly after recovering from mild symptoms.

Tote that barge...
https://exjournalistsunite.wordpress.com/2020/05/19/make-no-mistake-the-reopen-protests-are-all-about-white-privilege/