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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38746 on: June 17, 2020, 02:11:23 PM »

Over 750 people per day are dying of COVID (Pence considers this a victory, but others may disagree) despite the nationwide lock down that by any rational assessment is being lifted too soon in most places. 

Of course there never was a nationwide lockdown. 
Many states took half measures.
The country was lied into believing face masks were useless for almost 2 months.
And then after these halfway lockdowns, many states started reopening too soon.

Not surprising it isn't going too well.

If you do a serious lockdown and have good compliance with precautions in public for 8+ weeks (preferably 10-12), viral transmission can be limited and greatly reduced. 

Then for reopening you need a lot of testing, contact tracers in place (lots of unemployed folks would like jobs), and good precautions being followed in public (masks, distancing, disinfecting, etc).

How much of that has occurred?
A total embarrassing lack of national leadership.
A very simple potentially life-saving precaution (face masks) politicized.


If your lockdowns and precautions aren't thorough and complied with, and then you reopen too soon, without adequate preparations, you get an increase in infections.  It's not even a 2nd wave, as its a continuation of and failure to deal with the 1st wave properly.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38747 on: June 17, 2020, 02:13:13 PM »

After 131 years, Aunt Jemimah retires...

https://apnews.com/e71abe3b6e25e05fb7c76c20b86f6b60


My family never used this product, nor Uncle Bens
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38748 on: June 17, 2020, 02:30:50 PM »

Someone is arrested In America every 2.5 seconds.
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« Reply #38749 on: June 17, 2020, 02:36:07 PM »

Over 750 people per day are dying of COVID (Pence considers this a victory, but others may disagree) despite the nationwide lock down that by any rational assessment is being lifted too soon in most places. 

Of course there never was a nationwide lockdown. 
Many states took half measures.
The country was lied into believing face masks were useless for almost 2 months.
And then after these halfway lockdowns, many states started reopening too soon.

Not surprising it isn't going too well.

If you do a serious lockdown and have good compliance with precautions in public for 8+ weeks (preferably 10-12), viral transmission can be limited and greatly reduced. 

Then for reopening you need a lot of testing, contact tracers in place (lots of unemployed folks would like jobs), and good precautions being followed in public (masks, distancing, disinfecting, etc).

How much of that has occurred?
A total embarrassing lack of national leadership.
A very simple potentially life-saving precaution (face masks) politicized.


If your lockdowns and precautions aren't thorough and complied with, and then you reopen too soon, without adequate preparations, you get an increase in infections.  It's not even a 2nd wave, as its a continuation of and failure to deal with the 1st wave properly.

Maybe not nationwide, but there was a period when some 95% of the country was under lock down. 

But I agree that a) that lock down got called off too soon in most places (even according to the guidelines put out by the Trump administration, which called for a two week decrease in caseloads.  Some of those states weren't seeing a decrease at all) and b) Nothing was done (at a federal level) during that lock down to ensure a safe reopening.

We have a "president" who got impatient with the economic and therefore political effects of the lock downs and so decided it was time to lift them, completely divorced from any reality on the ground.  As a result, we have ended up with half-assed measures that will get people killed.

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Generally, I'm struck with the base level misunderstanding of how a virus works by the people in charge.  Note in that PBS segment I posted, Redfield is asked about his statements at the end of February that there was no danger to Americans, and he said "well, that was true at the time."  Reminds of the joke about the guy who falls off the top of a skyscraper and half way down says to himself "so far so good."  It should seem obvious, but a virus takes time to spread.  Just because you haven't been hit yet, doesn't mean it isn't coming.

And we now know that in fact we were hit, just a total lack of testing prevented us from knowing.

It should have been clear that as big as the US is, that just because it was mostly in New York City at some point and places like, say, Arizona, weren't getting cases, it was only a matter of time.  Instead they didn't have a big case load, so figured all clear to reopen. 

Which, as I said, if it is Redfield's sort of thinking that is leading to that, is really fucking stupid.
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« Reply #38750 on: June 17, 2020, 02:46:14 PM »

There is a video of the head of the Minneapolis Police Union thanking Trump at a rally for "removing the handcuffs" put on them by the Obama Administration.

Yesterday before signing his weak executive action for police reform, Trump claimed Obama never even tried it because they just weren't smart enough to figure it out.

This is a real case study in the combination of stupidity and lack of honesty that is true Trumpism.  Trump could have said "The Obama Administration tried Police Reform, but their rules were too onerous."  But he is too stupid to form a clear argument for that in his noggin, or to answer the difficult questions that might arise from Trump's removing those reforms.  So being the congenital liar that he is, much easier to just say "I'm the first to even try this!" 

We see this too from the Trumpists on this forum.  Just misrepresent the record, or straight up make shit up, that they think supports a pro-Trump argument.  Never mind if they have no facts to back them up, or if they actually even make any sense at all.
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« Reply #38751 on: June 17, 2020, 02:51:47 PM »

I think the lockdowns in most states were too weak, too laxly enforced, and not complied with enough.  So only moderately effective.

It's been half-measures the whole way.
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« Reply #38752 on: June 17, 2020, 03:00:46 PM »

We see this too from the Trumpists on this forum.  Just misrepresent the record....


What record?  That Trump won the election, stood up to N Korea and China and had the economy humming?

Yeah - I apologize.
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« Reply #38753 on: June 17, 2020, 03:03:51 PM »

We see this too from the Trumpists on this forum.  Just misrepresent the record....


What record?  That Trump won the election, stood up to N Korea and China and had the economy humming?

Yeah - I apologize.

I was thinking of more specific, more timely issues, but telling that even your broad retelling of the Trump Administration record is, in fact, a misrepresentation.

Although I guess you could say he technically won the election.
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« Reply #38754 on: June 17, 2020, 03:04:10 PM »

"Lockdowns kill. They kill the vulnerable, the lonely, the depressed, the unemployed, those who are trying to quit drugs and those who aren’t," former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson tweeted in response to a New York Post story about Mattingly's death.

"They kill dog owners and gun owners. Lockdowns shake us all and some of us break. Lockdowns kil


https://www.foxnews.com/media/playboy-playmate-ashley-mattingly-death-coronavirus-lockdowns

I note that you never responded to my query regarding your contention that COVID "pessimism" has killed people.

Over 750 people per day are dying of COVID (Pence considers this a victory, but others may disagree) despite the nationwide lock down that by any rational assessment is being lifted too soon in most places. 

So please, again, explain how those initial assessments were overblown to the degree that deaths like that of the Playmate you point to (tragic, true) could have been avoided had they been more accurate.
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« Reply #38755 on: June 17, 2020, 03:08:08 PM »

  Note in that PBS segment I posted, Redfield is asked about his statements at the end of February that there was no danger to Americans, and he said "well, that was true at the time."  Reminds of the joke about the guy who falls off the top of a skyscraper and half way down says to himself "so far so good."  It should seem obvious, but a virus takes time to spread.  Just because you haven't been hit yet, doesn't mean it isn't coming...

We watched "Frontline" last night  (from which you excerpted)  and were struck by Redfield's nearly pathological level of excuse making for Trump.   In another segment,  he repeatedly refuses to answer questions about his interactions with Trump to a degree that seemed more suited to a consigliere than a head of a federal agency. 

The Frontline show was,  as a whole,  an excellent review of  the pandemic and government failure. 
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« Reply #38756 on: June 17, 2020, 03:09:18 PM »

As for Trump "standing up to China..."

Trump asked China’s Xi to help him win reelection, according to Bolton book

President Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win the 2020 U.S. election, telling Xi during a summit dinner last year that increased agricultural purchases by Beijing from American farmers would aid his electoral prospects, according to a damning new account of life inside the Trump administration by former national security adviser John Bolton.

During a one-on-one meeting at the June 2019 Group of 20 summit in Japan, Xi complained to Trump about China critics in the United States. But Bolton writes in a book scheduled to be released next week that “Trump immediately assumed Xi meant the Democrats. Trump said approvingly that there was great hostility among the Democrats.

“He then, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability to affect the ongoing campaigns, pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win,” Bolton writes. “He stressed the importance of farmers, and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome. I would print Trump’s exact words but the government’s prepublication review process has decided otherwise.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-asked-chinas-xi-to-help-him-win-reelection-according-to-bolton-book/2020/06/17/d4ea601c-ad7a-11ea-868b-93d63cd833b2_story.html
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« Reply #38757 on: June 17, 2020, 03:57:15 PM »

As expected, felony murder overcharge in ATL
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« Reply #38758 on: June 17, 2020, 04:29:57 PM »

After shooting Brooks, Rolfe said "I got him" and kicked Brooks, and Brosnan then stood on Brooks' shoulder, Howard said. The officers did not provide medical aid to Brooks for over two minutes after shooting him, Howard said.

One of Rolfe's gunshots also hit an occupied vehicle nearby in the Wendy's lot, endangering the passengers inside.

Brosnan has agreed to be a state's witness, Howard said.


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« Reply #38759 on: June 17, 2020, 04:39:02 PM »

We see this too from the Trumpists on this forum.  Just misrepresent the record....


stood up to N Korea and China and had the economy humming?



Three misrepresentations in a row! Not bad, Kid.

Good example.
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