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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48390 on: August 26, 2020, 03:22:10 PM »

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« Reply #48391 on: August 26, 2020, 03:32:45 PM »

The Edsel flopped business-wise even though it was the butt of jokes for decades after its early demise

"even though," huh?
Yes, even though.
You must be drunk 
Or stupid.

Your sentence didn't make sense.   This is how it should have been structured:

The Edsel flopped business-wise and was the butt of jokes for decades after its early demise

Now stop talking about the NBA. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48392 on: August 26, 2020, 03:35:59 PM »

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« Reply #48393 on: August 26, 2020, 03:37:26 PM »

From NYT's "The Morning"

Might be worth discussing...



If you’re an intense reader of the news, you may already know the story of David Shor’s firing.

Shor is a progressive data analyst who has spent his career trying “to help elect Democrats while moving the party leftward,” as Jonathan Chait of New York magazine put it. In May, Shor tweeted a summary of a new academic paper about the 1968 election by Omar Wasow of Princeton. The paper found that nonviolent protests tended to increase the Democratic vote share in surrounding areas that year, while riots tended to decrease it.

Some other progressives accused Shor of insensitively focusing on the wrong problem: the political reaction to riots, rather than the underlying racism and socioeconomic problems that helped cause those riots. His employer — Civis Analytics, a liberal research firm — quickly fired him. (For a longer summary, see The Times’s Michelle Goldberg or Vox’s Matthew Yglesias.)

The episode was essentially a struggle over whether progressives should worry about political strategy or almost always side with the victims of injustice, regardless of tactics. Shor’s detractors thought he was blaming the victims — and “concern trolling,” by undermining the more important debate, as the podcast host Benjamin Dixon wrote. Shor’s defenders thought his detractors cared more about looking virtuous than defeating racism.

It is a debate with obvious relevance to the 2020 campaign.

No one can know for sure, but there is evidence suggesting that violent protests — like the ones this week in Kenosha, Wis., in response to the police shooting of a Black man in the back — help the politician whom many protesters most despise: President Trump



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FWiW,  i don't think Shor is concern trolling.   I think he's saying we have to focus on political strategy,  and protest optics,  no matter how impure that seems.   Anger is justified,  but no matter how righteous it may be,  when it is acted out as violence on a public stage,  it is risking handing a Wisconsin or another swing state to Trump.   

I've stood in a peaceful protest,  and I know how powerful that can be.   If you're not strong enough to do peaceful protest no matter what provocation is thrown your way,  you may do better to sit it out this year.   Please don't give ammunition to Faux News and the demagogues.  Yes,  people should see through their propaganda.   But I don't think we can cure naivete and stupidity in the next ten weeks.   
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« Reply #48394 on: August 26, 2020, 03:39:06 PM »

Did not know what deep state meant until I read this.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/25/politics/rnc-mary-ann-mendoza-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theory/index.html

---QAnon's prevailing conspiracy theories -- none based in fact -- claim that dozens of Satan-worshipping politicians and A-list celebrities work in tandem with governments around the globe to engage in child sex abuse. The group also fosters and shares conspiracies about coronavirus and mass shootings -- none grounded in reality -- and believe there is a "deep state" effort to annihilate Trump.---

Dangerously delusional. Very Nazi-like.

That type of shit infects as many people as Covid-19. The flames of both are fanned by trumps and trumpists.

Tiffany gave a scathing condemnation of state of things but was universally dyslexic in her finger pointing.

Who did she pay to take her ethics classes for her at law school?

Tiffany's speech was basically "You should be free to share your own opinions because the media is biased"

Which is really saying nothing. 

It's like saying "you should take your own advice in healthy eating because you universally only hear about certain types of healthy habits.   If you believe that  eating popcorn all the time is the key to good health you should be free to share that opinion far and wide because no one else will."
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« Reply #48395 on: August 26, 2020, 03:40:45 PM »

Americans wanting the violence, arson, looting, assaults to end should vote for Trump.


That just doesn't make sense.  Trump is in power now.  If we want change we have to change our leadership.
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« Reply #48396 on: August 26, 2020, 03:41:52 PM »

Americans wanting the violence, arson, looting, assaults to end should vote for Trump.


That just doesn't make sense.  Trump is in power now.  If we want change we have to change our leadership.


HEH
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« Reply #48397 on: August 26, 2020, 03:50:04 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html


Ready?


BECAUSE TESTING HAS INCREASED!!!

If your 3rd grade teacher was any good and you continued to develop your mind at any point after 3rd grade, you’d understand that the virus is massively wide spread in this country due to trump’s enormous and continuing failures, so widespread that even a large increase in testing is not enough to compass the scale of the disease’s penetration. We still don’t know where the virus is or where it’s been. More tests show more cases because there are more cases. There are more cases, an economic depression, violence in the streets, 4 or 5 regional natural disasters unmanaged because the republican party is a useless scam capable only of fleecing morons while shitting the bed.
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« Reply #48398 on: August 26, 2020, 03:53:29 PM »

Another fool's life over


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/us/kenosha-wisconsin-wednesday-shooting/index.html

But he sounds just like your kind of guy:

Kyle Rittenhouse — the teen charged with murder after shooting 3 Kenosha protesters with an AR-15 — was obsessed with Blue Lives Matter and appeared 'on edge' before shots rang out
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« Reply #48399 on: August 26, 2020, 03:54:19 PM »

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« Reply #48400 on: August 26, 2020, 03:57:50 PM »

Exactly.
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« Reply #48401 on: August 26, 2020, 03:59:37 PM »

Americans wanting the violence, arson, looting, assaults to end should vote for Trump.


That just doesn't make sense.  Trump is in power now.  If we want change we have to change our leadership.


HEH

In other words you're saying  "I have nothing to respond with so i'll just post something as a form of response"

You're fooling no one but yourself into thinking you have made a point.
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« Reply #48402 on: August 26, 2020, 03:59:53 PM »

Another fool's life over


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/us/kenosha-wisconsin-wednesday-shooting/index.html

But he sounds just like your kind of guy:

Kyle Rittenhouse — the teen charged with murder after shooting 3 Kenosha protesters with an AR-15 — was obsessed with Blue Lives Matter and appeared 'on edge' before shots rang out

I look forward to hearing his speech tonight at the RNC
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