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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57435 on: November 18, 2020, 05:23:34 PM »

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« Reply #57436 on: November 18, 2020, 05:35:41 PM »

I will mildly diverge from Oil and Bo to suggest that "disgraceful" is what give Trump's base a hard-on, and gets them to march to the polls in percentages only a demagogic populist can achieve.  Fighting lost causes like some demented Fight Robot, be it the restoration of coal energy or the cancelling of a lawful election, is one of the core personality traits that keep Trumpistas so loyal.  The most naive populist voter doesn't think "he's fighting because of his own bloated ego."  He thinks rather "He's fighting for ME!" 

I do think there's hope, if the GOTV folk can really leverage the fate of the 2021 Senate and the possibility of a unified Biden government in their pitch to Dems and Independents to go back to the polling stations (or mailboxes, or dropboxes).  And yes, some voters are repelled not only by the Sore Loser stuff, but by the attempt to undermine their vote for Biden. 

Out of state cash is a factor, but as the general election demonstrated, not as much as it used to be.
Hmmm.Sore losers?

The CNN exit polls shed favorable lights on the GOP, not the dems. And they underscore that moderates swung the election to Biden. The GOP will have at least 50 members of the Senate for the fourth consecutive election and it severely cut the dem margin in the House, much to the concern of moderate dem members who are fed up with being labeled as socialists, defunders of police, or purveyors of identity politics.
Demographically the share of the white vote declined to 67% from 71%, Latinos increased from 11-13 and were especially of help to republicans in Texas and Florida. Over 20 per cent of the voters were older than 65 while the per cent of young adults declined. 
CNN exit polls also showed self-identified liberals decreased 2 points to 24% while conservatives increased 3 points to 38 % while another 38% claimed to bemoderates.
If Biden has any mandate it would be to not rock the boat by falling  for such radical ideas as packing SCOTUS, adding states to the union, ending fracking, reestablishing affirmative action or raising taxes indiscriminately.

You might want to pay attention to what the voters actually said.

You mean the majority of the popular vote again?
For 7 of the last 8 elections.
I think you are a little confused. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57437 on: November 18, 2020, 05:56:38 PM »

Red seems unaware that

1-Dems won the House again

2-Dems picked up a 1-seat in the Senate, and could pick-up 2 more for Senate control

3-Dems regained the WH.

It seems Red is the confused party.

Or is in deep denial

As are many of the supporters of Trump's Fascist Party Golf Resort and Casino
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« Reply #57438 on: November 18, 2020, 06:04:39 PM »

The drugs haven’t quite worn off for Red yet.
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« Reply #57440 on: November 18, 2020, 06:11:39 PM »

Asshole of the Day:

"I get accused of everything, I'm just going to keep being me," Graham said [/b]in the Capitol.]Three top ethics experts and prominent critics of President Donald Trump on Wednesday formally requested the Senate Ethics Committee investigate whether Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina violated the chamber's rules in his probe over how mail-in voting was conducted in the 2020 presidential election.

In a letter, Walter Shaub, a former top ethics watchdog for the federal government, Richard Painter, the chief ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush's administration, and Claire Finkelstein, the director of the University of Pennsylvania's Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law, asked the panel to look into Graham's call last week with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, and whether Graham "suggested" that Raffensperger "disenfranchise Georgia voters by not counting votes lawfully cast for the office of president."
They also asked the panel to investigate whether Graham "threatened anyone with a Senate investigation of the Georgia vote tally."
The Senate panel reviews complaints "from virtually any source," according to its guidelines, but whether it will probe Graham is uncertain. The panel, which is evenly split between three Democrats and three Republicans, acts in secrecy and often offers little more than a slap on the wrist to admonish a senator's misconduct.
 
Graham told CNN "no, not at all" on Wednesday when asked if he's concerned about facing any ethics investigation.
"I get accused of everything, I'm just going to keep being me," Graham said in the Capitol.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/lindsey-graham-ethics-experts-senate-investigation/index.html
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« Reply #57441 on: November 18, 2020, 06:33:53 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/daca-garaufis/index.html

The GOP handling of DACA continues to leave Judge Garaufis unimpressed.
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« Reply #57442 on: November 18, 2020, 06:35:26 PM »

I will mildly diverge from Oil and Bo to suggest that "disgraceful" is what give Trump's base a hard-on, and gets them to march to the polls in percentages only a demagogic populist can achieve.  Fighting lost causes like some demented Fight Robot, be it the restoration of coal energy or the cancelling of a lawful election, is one of the core personality traits that keep Trumpistas so loyal.  The most naive populist voter doesn't think "he's fighting because of his own bloated ego."  He thinks rather "He's fighting for ME!" 

I do think there's hope, if the GOTV folk can really leverage the fate of the 2021 Senate and the possibility of a unified Biden government in their pitch to Dems and Independents to go back to the polling stations (or mailboxes, or dropboxes).  And yes, some voters are repelled not only by the Sore Loser stuff, but by the attempt to undermine their vote for Biden. 

Out of state cash is a factor, but as the general election demonstrated, not as much as it used to be.
Hmmm.Sore losers?

The CNN exit polls shed favorable lights on the GOP, not the dems. And they underscore that moderates swung the election to Biden. The GOP will have at least 50 members of the Senate for the fourth consecutive election and it severely cut the dem margin in the House, much to the concern of moderate dem members who are fed up with being labeled as socialists, defunders of police, or purveyors of identity politics.
Demographically the share of the white vote declined to 67% from 71%, Latinos increased from 11-13 and were especially of help to republicans in Texas and Florida. Over 20 per cent of the voters were older than 65 while the per cent of young adults declined. 
CNN exit polls also showed self-identified liberals decreased 2 points to 24% while conservatives increased 3 points to 38 % while another 38% claimed to bemoderates.
If Biden has any mandate it would be to not rock the boat by falling  for such radical ideas as packing SCOTUS, adding states to the union, ending fracking, reestablishing affirmative action or raising taxes indiscriminately.

You might want to pay attention to what the voters actually said.

You mean the majority of the popular vote again?
For 7 of the last 8 elections.
I think you are a little confused.
LOL.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57443 on: November 18, 2020, 06:39:00 PM »

Why the radical left is losing the future.



“Defund police, open borders, socialism — it’s killing us,” Rep. Vicente Gonzalez, D-Texas, told the New York Times. Gonzalez narrowly won reelection in Texas’s 15th District with 50.5% of the votes, compared to his more comfortable 59.7% in 2018 and 57.3% in 2016.

Gonzalez noted that the “average white person” may think of Scandinavia when they hear the word socialism, but Asian and Hispanic immigrants are more likely to recall tyrannical governments from which they or their families escaped.


Gonzalez’s district is along the Texas southern border as a lot of other counties in the state. Hillary Clinton won 65% of the votes there in 2016(but still lost the state), Joe Biden won just 47% in 2020.

Texas is red and will be for a long time.


Zapata County’s Rep. Henry Cuellar, does not believe this is a sign that Democrats are gradually losing control as they still won their races, but he does believe that President Trump and his campaign demonstrated a greater understanding of the people whose votes they were courting.


“The Trump campaign got this better and understand the Hispanic vote is not monolithic? 

His explanation?
  In border counties, he said, many live in rural areas where people are “socially conservative, very patriotic,” and were also concerned about what a Democratic administration would mean for the economy and law enforcement.

He warned that his fellow Democrats “can’t just think in terms of ethnic identities,” because the cultures, values, and priorities are not the same across the entire Hispanic population. In his district people are hurting economically, he said, so they were concerned about another shutdown due to the coronavirus pandemic.
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« Reply #57444 on: November 18, 2020, 06:43:51 PM »

So as Trump's callous indifference to the suffering of 11 million Amercians and his ignoring the tragedy of 250,000 dead Americans, and that he hasn't attended a coronavirus task force meeting in 5 months, isn't about time we get the demented motherfucker out of office ASAP so he can't murder more Americans?

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« Reply #57445 on: November 18, 2020, 06:47:44 PM »

Why the fascist right is losing the future.

They're killing the voters they need to continue their scams.

And most other people are catching on to their cruel con games.

On a postive note, they're also too stupid to wear masks and protect themselves, so they'll end up killing themselves.



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« Reply #57446 on: November 18, 2020, 07:17:59 PM »

News Item our intrepid Shanghai corespondent DiddleBones neglects to share.


Chinese authorities indicted a Shanghai-based citizen journalist for allegedly sending “false information” after she reported on the coronavirus outbreak in the city of Wuhan, China, early this year, a prosecution document released on Monday and seen by the Guardian revealed.

According to the indictment sheet, Zhang Zhan, 37, is accused of sending “false information through text, video and other media through the Internet media such as WeChat [Chinese messaging and social media app], Twitter and YouTube.”

The government isolates individuals from the outside world in the name of treatment. In the name of maintaining stability, the number of infections and deaths is covered up. The media is kept under control in the name of ‘positive energy.’ [The authorities] are coercively and violently ordering and depriving people of their basic human and property rights.

News of Zhang’s formal indictment comes four days after Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported on an alleged “information blackout” on Zhang’s case on November 13. The reports included claims that Zhang’s mother “was yet to see any details of the indictment” and that one of Zhang’s defense lawyers had been removed from the case.

Source, The Guardian.

I wonder how many tens of thousands of Chinese virus victims were burned or buried wearing masks 




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« Reply #57447 on: November 18, 2020, 07:22:49 PM »

News Item our intrepid Shanghai corespondent DiddleBones neglects to share.


Chinese authorities indicted a Shanghai-based citizen journalist for allegedly sending “false information” after she reported on the coronavirus outbreak in the city of Wuhan, China, early this year, a prosecution document released on Monday and seen by the Guardian revealed.

According to the indictment sheet, Zhang Zhan, 37, is accused of sending “false information through text, video and other media through the Internet media such as WeChat [Chinese messaging and social media app], Twitter and YouTube.”

The government isolates individuals from the outside world in the name of treatment. In the name of maintaining stability, the number of infections and deaths is covered up. The media is kept under control in the name of ‘positive energy.’ [The authorities] are coercively and violently ordering and depriving people of their basic human and property rights.

News of Zhang’s formal indictment comes four days after Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported on an alleged “information blackout” on Zhang’s case on November 13. The reports included claims that Zhang’s mother “was yet to see any details of the indictment” and that one of Zhang’s defense lawyers had been removed from the case.

Source, The Guardian.

I wonder how many tens of thousands of Chinese virus victims were burned or buried wearing masks


Fake news spewed by an enemy of the people...
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« Reply #57448 on: November 18, 2020, 07:28:20 PM »

Red is finally absorbing some of the aftershocks of trump going belly up to China at the beginning of his term for whatever negligible bribes or promises of bribes they forwarded to Ivanka.
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« Reply #57449 on: November 18, 2020, 07:39:35 PM »

 Wait... Redward's reading The Guardian now?   Let's not discourage that.   
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