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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

Why no temple, synagogue, or shul should be open during the pandemic, regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows:

From the Jewish Virtual Library on “Pikuach Nefesh.”

“In Judaism, human life is essential and so pikuach nefesh, the obligation to save a life in jeopardy, is considered a major value to uphold. This obligation applies to both an immediate threat and a less grave danger that has the potential of becoming serious. Pikuach nefesh is derived from the biblical verse, “Neither shall you stand by the blood of your neighbor” (Lev. 19:16). According to pikuach nefesh a person must do everything in their power to save the life of another, even donate bodily organs. Ovaday Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel, ruled that one may donate an organ to a person in critical need, so long as it does not put the donor’s life at risk.

“It is also permissible to travel on Shabbat to save a person’s life. Maimonides declared that a Jew should take the individual, even if a gentile is present, in order to encourage “compassion, loving-kindness and peace in the world” (Mishneh Torah, 2:3). The laws of the Sabbath may be suspended to provide any necessary medical care to a critically ill individual or to an individual in the likelihood of danger to life. However, if a person has only a lesser infirmity or physical ailment, any violation of Shabbat should be minimal or, if viable, performed by a gentile. The laws of Shabbat may also be deferred for a woman who has just given birth within the last three days, to provide more comfort. A patient is allowed to eat non-Kosher food if it is essential for recovery and, on Yom Kippur, a sick person is forbidden to fast if it will impair their recovery and health.

“The Talmud contains several instances where the laws of the Sabbath are to be broken to save the life of another; these occasions include the rescuing a child from the sea, breaking apart a wall that has collapsed on a child, breaking down a door about to close on an infant, and extinguishing a fire (Yoma 84b).

“In the case that one must make the choice of saving their own life or that of a companion, Rabbi Akiva states that it is permissible to save your life and not the other. This verdict was rationalized by the biblical verse, “Let him live by your side as your kinsman.” Rabbi Akiva determined that the verse implies that “your life takes precedence over his life.” One can only become a martyr if the option is between death and performing acts of idolatry, illegitimate sexual intercourse, or murder (Sanhedrin 74a-b).”

Wake me when you get to the part that deals with government
ruining our spiritual lives  by interfering with our religious freedoms that our country was founded on.

"regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows"

IOW, though I know Ward can't grasp this, this was a pointed remark to the Jewish community (communities?) that sued, they had no basis for doing so, having nothing to do with US law.

IOW  you have no point.

[josh]

Why no temple, synagogue, or shul should be open during the pandemic, regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows:

From the Jewish Virtual Library on “Pikuach Nefesh.”

“In Judaism, human life is essential and so pikuach nefesh, the obligation to save a life in jeopardy, is considered a major value to uphold. This obligation applies to both an immediate threat and a less grave danger that has the potential of becoming serious. Pikuach nefesh is derived from the biblical verse, “Neither shall you stand by the blood of your neighbor” (Lev. 19:16). According to pikuach nefesh a person must do everything in their power to save the life of another, even donate bodily organs. Ovaday Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel, ruled that one may donate an organ to a person in critical need, so long as it does not put the donor’s life at risk.

“It is also permissible to travel on Shabbat to save a person’s life. Maimonides declared that a Jew should take the individual, even if a gentile is present, in order to encourage “compassion, loving-kindness and peace in the world” (Mishneh Torah, 2:3). The laws of the Sabbath may be suspended to provide any necessary medical care to a critically ill individual or to an individual in the likelihood of danger to life. However, if a person has only a lesser infirmity or physical ailment, any violation of Shabbat should be minimal or, if viable, performed by a gentile. The laws of Shabbat may also be deferred for a woman who has just given birth within the last three days, to provide more comfort. A patient is allowed to eat non-Kosher food if it is essential for recovery and, on Yom Kippur, a sick person is forbidden to fast if it will impair their recovery and health.

“The Talmud contains several instances where the laws of the Sabbath are to be broken to save the life of another; these occasions include the rescuing a child from the sea, breaking apart a wall that has collapsed on a child, breaking down a door about to close on an infant, and extinguishing a fire (Yoma 84b).

“In the case that one must make the choice of saving their own life or that of a companion, Rabbi Akiva states that it is permissible to save your life and not the other. This verdict was rationalized by the biblical verse, “Let him live by your side as your kinsman.” Rabbi Akiva determined that the verse implies that “your life takes precedence over his life.” One can only become a martyr if the option is between death and performing acts of idolatry, illegitimate sexual intercourse, or murder (Sanhedrin 74a-b).”

Wake me when you get to the part that deals with government
ruining our spiritual lives  by interfering with our religious freedoms that our country was founded on.

"regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows"

IOW, though I know Ward can't grasp this, this was a pointed remark to the Jewish community (communities?) that sued, they had no basis for doing so, having nothing to do with US law.

IOW  you have no point.

If you say so.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Why no temple, synagogue, or shul should be open during the pandemic, regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows:

From the Jewish Virtual Library on “Pikuach Nefesh.”

“In Judaism, human life is essential and so pikuach nefesh, the obligation to save a life in jeopardy, is considered a major value to uphold. This obligation applies to both an immediate threat and a less grave danger that has the potential of becoming serious. Pikuach nefesh is derived from the biblical verse, “Neither shall you stand by the blood of your neighbor” (Lev. 19:16). According to pikuach nefesh a person must do everything in their power to save the life of another, even donate bodily organs. Ovaday Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel, ruled that one may donate an organ to a person in critical need, so long as it does not put the donor’s life at risk.

“It is also permissible to travel on Shabbat to save a person’s life. Maimonides declared that a Jew should take the individual, even if a gentile is present, in order to encourage “compassion, loving-kindness and peace in the world” (Mishneh Torah, 2:3). The laws of the Sabbath may be suspended to provide any necessary medical care to a critically ill individual or to an individual in the likelihood of danger to life. However, if a person has only a lesser infirmity or physical ailment, any violation of Shabbat should be minimal or, if viable, performed by a gentile. The laws of Shabbat may also be deferred for a woman who has just given birth within the last three days, to provide more comfort. A patient is allowed to eat non-Kosher food if it is essential for recovery and, on Yom Kippur, a sick person is forbidden to fast if it will impair their recovery and health.

“The Talmud contains several instances where the laws of the Sabbath are to be broken to save the life of another; these occasions include the rescuing a child from the sea, breaking apart a wall that has collapsed on a child, breaking down a door about to close on an infant, and extinguishing a fire (Yoma 84b).

“In the case that one must make the choice of saving their own life or that of a companion, Rabbi Akiva states that it is permissible to save your life and not the other. This verdict was rationalized by the biblical verse, “Let him live by your side as your kinsman.” Rabbi Akiva determined that the verse implies that “your life takes precedence over his life.” One can only become a martyr if the option is between death and performing acts of idolatry, illegitimate sexual intercourse, or murder (Sanhedrin 74a-b).”

Wake me when you get to the part that deals with government
ruining our spiritual lives  by interfering with our religious freedoms that our country was founded on.

"regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows"

IOW, though I know Ward can't grasp this, this was a pointed remark to the Jewish community (communities?) that sued, they had no basis for doing so, having nothing to do with US law.

IOW  you have no point.

If you say so.

Why no temple, synagogue, or shul should be open during the pandemic, regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows:

From the Jewish Virtual Library on “Pikuach Nefesh.”

“In Judaism, human life is essential and so pikuach nefesh, the obligation to save a life in jeopardy, is considered a major value to uphold. This obligation applies to both an immediate threat and a less grave danger that has the potential of becoming serious. Pikuach nefesh is derived from the biblical verse, “Neither shall you stand by the blood of your neighbor” (Lev. 19:16). According to pikuach nefesh a person must do everything in their power to save the life of another, even donate bodily organs. Ovaday Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel, ruled that one may donate an organ to a person in critical need, so long as it does not put the donor’s life at risk.

“It is also permissible to travel on Shabbat to save a person’s life. Maimonides declared that a Jew should take the individual, even if a gentile is present, in order to encourage “compassion, loving-kindness and peace in the world” (Mishneh Torah, 2:3). The laws of the Sabbath may be suspended to provide any necessary medical care to a critically ill individual or to an individual in the likelihood of danger to life. However, if a person has only a lesser infirmity or physical ailment, any violation of Shabbat should be minimal or, if viable, performed by a gentile. The laws of Shabbat may also be deferred for a woman who has just given birth within the last three days, to provide more comfort. A patient is allowed to eat non-Kosher food if it is essential for recovery and, on Yom Kippur, a sick person is forbidden to fast if it will impair their recovery and health.

“The Talmud contains several instances where the laws of the Sabbath are to be broken to save the life of another; these occasions include the rescuing a child from the sea, breaking apart a wall that has collapsed on a child, breaking down a door about to close on an infant, and extinguishing a fire (Yoma 84b).

“In the case that one must make the choice of saving their own life or that of a companion, Rabbi Akiva states that it is permissible to save your life and not the other. This verdict was rationalized by the biblical verse, “Let him live by your side as your kinsman.” Rabbi Akiva determined that the verse implies that “your life takes precedence over his life.” One can only become a martyr if the option is between death and performing acts of idolatry, illegitimate sexual intercourse, or murder (Sanhedrin 74a-b).”

Wake me when you get to the part that deals with government
ruining our spiritual lives  by interfering with our religious freedoms that our country was founded on.

"regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows"

IOW, though I know Ward can't grasp this, this was a pointed remark to the Jewish community (communities?) that sued, they had no basis for doing so, having nothing to do with US law.

IOW  you have no point.

If you say so.

LOL!
No
Because you made no point.

[josh]

Why no temple, synagogue, or shul should be open during the pandemic, regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows:

From the Jewish Virtual Library on “Pikuach Nefesh.”

“In Judaism, human life is essential and so pikuach nefesh, the obligation to save a life in jeopardy, is considered a major value to uphold. This obligation applies to both an immediate threat and a less grave danger that has the potential of becoming serious. Pikuach nefesh is derived from the biblical verse, “Neither shall you stand by the blood of your neighbor” (Lev. 19:16). According to pikuach nefesh a person must do everything in their power to save the life of another, even donate bodily organs. Ovaday Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel, ruled that one may donate an organ to a person in critical need, so long as it does not put the donor’s life at risk.

“It is also permissible to travel on Shabbat to save a person’s life. Maimonides declared that a Jew should take the individual, even if a gentile is present, in order to encourage “compassion, loving-kindness and peace in the world” (Mishneh Torah, 2:3). The laws of the Sabbath may be suspended to provide any necessary medical care to a critically ill individual or to an individual in the likelihood of danger to life. However, if a person has only a lesser infirmity or physical ailment, any violation of Shabbat should be minimal or, if viable, performed by a gentile. The laws of Shabbat may also be deferred for a woman who has just given birth within the last three days, to provide more comfort. A patient is allowed to eat non-Kosher food if it is essential for recovery and, on Yom Kippur, a sick person is forbidden to fast if it will impair their recovery and health.

“The Talmud contains several instances where the laws of the Sabbath are to be broken to save the life of another; these occasions include the rescuing a child from the sea, breaking apart a wall that has collapsed on a child, breaking down a door about to close on an infant, and extinguishing a fire (Yoma 84b).

“In the case that one must make the choice of saving their own life or that of a companion, Rabbi Akiva states that it is permissible to save your life and not the other. This verdict was rationalized by the biblical verse, “Let him live by your side as your kinsman.” Rabbi Akiva determined that the verse implies that “your life takes precedence over his life.” One can only become a martyr if the option is between death and performing acts of idolatry, illegitimate sexual intercourse, or murder (Sanhedrin 74a-b).”

Wake me when you get to the part that deals with government
ruining our spiritual lives  by interfering with our religious freedoms that our country was founded on.

"regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows"

IOW, though I know Ward can't grasp this, this was a pointed remark to the Jewish community (communities?) that sued, they had no basis for doing so, having nothing to do with US law.

IOW  you have no point.

If you say so.

Why no temple, synagogue, or shul should be open during the pandemic, regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows:

From the Jewish Virtual Library on “Pikuach Nefesh.”

“In Judaism, human life is essential and so pikuach nefesh, the obligation to save a life in jeopardy, is considered a major value to uphold. This obligation applies to both an immediate threat and a less grave danger that has the potential of becoming serious. Pikuach nefesh is derived from the biblical verse, “Neither shall you stand by the blood of your neighbor” (Lev. 19:16). According to pikuach nefesh a person must do everything in their power to save the life of another, even donate bodily organs. Ovaday Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel, ruled that one may donate an organ to a person in critical need, so long as it does not put the donor’s life at risk.

“It is also permissible to travel on Shabbat to save a person’s life. Maimonides declared that a Jew should take the individual, even if a gentile is present, in order to encourage “compassion, loving-kindness and peace in the world” (Mishneh Torah, 2:3). The laws of the Sabbath may be suspended to provide any necessary medical care to a critically ill individual or to an individual in the likelihood of danger to life. However, if a person has only a lesser infirmity or physical ailment, any violation of Shabbat should be minimal or, if viable, performed by a gentile. The laws of Shabbat may also be deferred for a woman who has just given birth within the last three days, to provide more comfort. A patient is allowed to eat non-Kosher food if it is essential for recovery and, on Yom Kippur, a sick person is forbidden to fast if it will impair their recovery and health.

“The Talmud contains several instances where the laws of the Sabbath are to be broken to save the life of another; these occasions include the rescuing a child from the sea, breaking apart a wall that has collapsed on a child, breaking down a door about to close on an infant, and extinguishing a fire (Yoma 84b).

“In the case that one must make the choice of saving their own life or that of a companion, Rabbi Akiva states that it is permissible to save your life and not the other. This verdict was rationalized by the biblical verse, “Let him live by your side as your kinsman.” Rabbi Akiva determined that the verse implies that “your life takes precedence over his life.” One can only become a martyr if the option is between death and performing acts of idolatry, illegitimate sexual intercourse, or murder (Sanhedrin 74a-b).”

Wake me when you get to the part that deals with government
ruining our spiritual lives  by interfering with our religious freedoms that our country was founded on.

"regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows"

IOW, though I know Ward can't grasp this, this was a pointed remark to the Jewish community (communities?) that sued, they had no basis for doing so, having nothing to do with US law.

IOW  you have no point.

If you say so.

LOL!
No
Because you made no point.

If you say so.

But please edit your post, Ward.

[josh]

Interesting data to everybody but Ward.

[josh]

New cases up a million in 5 days, including new highs the last three days.

Over 11,000 deaths the last 4 days. We'll set a new record for average daily deaths in a day or two, I expect.

"Sick" is the refusal of this administration to try to change what happens between now and the release of the vaccine (and before the inauguration).

[josh]

And the Trump administration breaks the law yet again:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/04/politics/pentagon-biden-transition-intelligence/index.html

[josh]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/04/mike-pence-tells-georgia-voters-election-undecided-donald-trump/3831979001

I hope Pence keeps pushing that the last election was corrupt and that was why Trump lost, because there is no reason for a GOP voter to believe will matter this time, when it didn't last.

[josh]

Nevada judge rejects GOP's latest attempt to upend results of presidential election
From CNN's Stephanie Becker and Katelyn Polantz

Nevada District Judge James Russell rejected a Republican attempt to declare President Trump the winner of the Nevada election.

One day after a lengthy evidentiary hearing, Russell wrote that the “contestant did not prove under any standard of proof” the long list of accusations against the Biden-Harris campaign, including paying voters to cast ballots.

Russell denied their request to replace Democratic electors with Republican electors.

[LarryBnDC]

Why no temple, synagogue, or shul should be open during the pandemic, regardless of what SCOTUS allows or disallows:

From the Jewish Virtual Library on “Pikuach Nefesh.”

“In Judaism, human life is essential and so pikuach nefesh, the obligation to save a life in jeopardy, is considered a major value to uphold. This obligation applies to both an immediate threat and a less grave danger that has the potential of becoming serious. Pikuach nefesh is derived from the biblical verse, “Neither shall you stand by the blood of your neighbor” (Lev. 19:16). According to pikuach nefesh a person must do everything in their power to save the life of another, even donate bodily organs. Ovaday Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel, ruled that one may donate an organ to a person in critical need, so long as it does not put the donor’s life at risk.

“It is also permissible to travel on Shabbat to save a person’s life. Maimonides declared that a Jew should take the individual, even if a gentile is present, in order to encourage “compassion, loving-kindness and peace in the world” (Mishneh Torah, 2:3). The laws of the Sabbath may be suspended to provide any necessary medical care to a critically ill individual or to an individual in the likelihood of danger to life. However, if a person has only a lesser infirmity or physical ailment, any violation of Shabbat should be minimal or, if viable, performed by a gentile. The laws of Shabbat may also be deferred for a woman who has just given birth within the last three days, to provide more comfort. A patient is allowed to eat non-Kosher food if it is essential for recovery and, on Yom Kippur, a sick person is forbidden to fast if it will impair their recovery and health.

“The Talmud contains several instances where the laws of the Sabbath are to be broken to save the life of another; these occasions include the rescuing a child from the sea, breaking apart a wall that has collapsed on a child, breaking down a door about to close on an infant, and extinguishing a fire (Yoma 84b).

“In the case that one must make the choice of saving their own life or that of a companion, Rabbi Akiva states that it is permissible to save your life and not the other. This verdict was rationalized by the biblical verse, “Let him live by your side as your kinsman.” Rabbi Akiva determined that the verse implies that “your life takes precedence over his life.” One can only become a martyr if the option is between death and performing acts of idolatry, illegitimate sexual intercourse, or murder (Sanhedrin 74a-b).”

Wake me when you get to the part that deals with government
ruining our spiritual lives  by interfering with our religious freedoms that our country was founded on.

Horseshit.

[Kam]

A religious person knows that G O D is everywhere and can hear you anywhere.   Stay home, save lives, including your own.

[LarryBnDC]

Biden:  "How do you get it out of the vial?  I havent seen a plan."

heh

whats the funny part you idiot?

Biden want to understand the process and maybe problems to overcome.

Trump hasn't been to a corona tak force meeting in months and doesn't give a shit.

Biden asks questions about the vial

Trump is vile.

20,000 Amercians may die this week and you laugh.

what the fuck is wrong with you?

True believer.

[LarryBnDC]

New cases up a million in 5 days, including new highs the last three days.

Over 11,000 deaths the last 4 days. We'll set a new record for average daily deaths in a day or two, I expect.

"Sick" is the refusal of this administration to try to change what happens between now and the release of the vaccine (and before the inauguration).

They’d have to give a shit.

[LarryBnDC]

A religious person knows that G O D is everywhere and can hear you anywhere.   Stay home, save lives, including your own.

[josh]

New cases up a million in 5 days, including new highs the last three days.

Over 11,000 deaths the last 4 days. We'll set a new record for average daily deaths in a day or two, I expect.

"Sick" is the refusal of this administration to try to change what happens between now and the release of the vaccine (and before the inauguration).

They’d have to give a shit.

I think all it would take would be honest recognition of why they lost the presidential election and what impact their lack of action now might have on their ability to retain power down the road.

But I realize that even those two pretty simple premises are beyond them.