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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #62220 on: January 08, 2021, 04:37:40 PM »

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Miranda Devine: Suddenly, political violence is a problem

The rabble that stormed Capitol Hill behaved appallingly but where was the left that is condemning them when their side was burning down American cities, asks Miranda Devine.


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The storming of the US Capitol by a group of fired-up Trump supporters was a tragedy for the Republican party, for conservatives and populist nationalists — and for Donald Trump and his legacy.

It has bestowed the great gift of the moral high ground on the most undeserving people in the world: Joe Biden and the left.

They now have a free pass to persecute their ideological enemies while enacting their pet cultural Marxist projects and changing America irrevocably for the worst.

They will be unimpeded by a Senate now in Democratic control, thanks to Tuesday’s Georgia run-off debacle.

Those selfies they took on the House floor – or in the case of one bearded man, sitting in House Speaker’s Nancy Pelosi’s evacuated office with his feet on her desk — were dumb and self-incriminating.
I hope they were worth it, because you know they won’t receive the kid glove treatment that BLM-Antifa received with last year’s “mostly peaceful protests”.

They didn’t throw bricks at police or burn police buildings to the ground or beat innocent passers-by senseless. But they will have the book thrown at them, because it’s not the crime you commit that matters any more, it’s who you are.
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« Reply #62221 on: January 08, 2021, 04:43:41 PM »

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The Capitol mob recorded its own history. Now, volunteers are trying to preserve the record.


By
Philip Bump
Jan. 7, 2021 at 4:05 p.m. MST

The revolution wasn’t just televised, it was live-streamed.

It was photographed from every conceivable angle; it was documented in detail by the rioters themselves: the mob of President Trump’s supporters who stormed into the Capitol on Wednesday. As they clambered up scaffolding and hopped through broken windows, they stopped to take selfies or photograph their friends giddily rampaging through the legislative seat of the United States. We know how the surge began not because of security footage or interviews with law enforcement but because the people who were rushing the Capitol filmed each other doing it.

There are a lot of ways in which the omnipresence of recording devices has reshaped our culture. The emergence of police brutality as a political issue derives largely from the ability of bystanders to capture footage showing the frequency with which Black Americans were abused by law enforcement. The emphasis on social media attention has turned millions of Americans into micro-celebrities and celebrity-wannabes, documenting their own lives for the rush of receiving the approval of others.

For most people, though, taking a selfie and sharing it on Instagram still seems private and innocuous. They don’t have many followers, so it seems like the functional equivalent of passing a photo around at work. It’s anonymous, in its own way, even though anyone in the world can see it. That’s a tricky combination: posting footage that can be seen anywhere with the expectation that it won’t be. It becomes particularly fraught when that footage is documenting criminal activity at a historic scale.

Some portion of the crowd at the Capitol on Wednesday was probably unaware of that scale.

“The people I managed to speak to didn’t seem to understand the gravity of what they had done,” wrote Slate’s Aymann Ismail, who was on the scene. There was apparently a glee to the rampage, a mix for many of surprise and excitement that blurred any sense that perhaps climbing through broken windows into a heavily protected federal building might be crossing some sort of line.


Others were certainly aware of what they were doing. While some of those on Capitol Hill were like the picnickers who headed to Manassas to watch the first Battle of Bull Run, others were there to emulate the Confederates. There was a real threat alongside the organically emerging one.

And all of it was captured in photos, videos and streams that quickly made their way to the Internet.

The world is now in its fourth information revolution. The first preceded the written word. The second preceded the emergence of the Internet. The third: the ability to share information through the Web. And this current revolution, in which there’s too much to parse, when we record and document ourselves so much that we can’t actually capture it all. We record things and those things get lost because they aren’t worth keeping, not because we can’t.

That poses a problem in the moment. Think of it like a curve: an enormous amount of documentation of what happened at the Capitol existed at the moment it was happening. Much of that quickly made its way online. As hours pass, more and more of it will vanish, in part because the people documenting what they saw will begin to realize that it might not be useful to have publicly recorded themselves violating federal law. That Instagram post that got 20 likes from 100 followers is suddenly something the FBI might find useful. It’s also something that employers might not appreciate. Facebook itself announced it would begin removing videos and photos from Wednesday out of concern that they promote criminal activity.

Once that video or photo is removed, so is the piece of history that is documented. So, amateur archivists have already sprung into action to capture and store the scenes that unfolded during the Capitol takeover.

One group collecting those records is Bellingcat. The group of independent investigators already has a robust track record of using publicly available evidence to piece together historic events. They were instrumental in uncovering Russia’s role in shooting down Malaysian Air Flight 17 over Ukraine in 2014 and, last year, helped determine that Iranian antiaircraft fire brought down a plane in that country. Shortly after the Capitol was secured on Wednesday, Bellingcat announced that it was asking volunteers to contribute videos and photos documenting what had occurred.... 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #62222 on: January 08, 2021, 05:58:24 PM »

You may fairly suggest that I'm engaging in undue optimism again,  but I just don't see the JCoS authorizing a Trumpian nuke attack.   For one thing,  an offensive use,  where there is no enemy attack underway, would require a resolution of Congress,  wouldn't it?

Legally, they have no say in it. They aren't supposed to have to authorize it.

Nor does it require a declaration of war.

Prez says do it and they are supposed to do it. And if the JCoS question him, he gets to say he just got off the phone and we've been threatened, so we must react NOW.

Will they have the guts to deny him?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #62223 on: January 08, 2021, 05:59:15 PM »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-08/sidney-powell-sued-by-dominion-voting-over-election-fraud-claims

Former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell was sued for defamation by the voting-machine company she repeatedly placed at the center of a vast and unfounded election conspiracy that she claimed switched votes to favor President-elect Joe Biden.

The complaint filed Friday by Dominion Voting Systems Inc. seeks $1.3 billion from Powell, who filed numerous unsuccessful court cases seeking to overturn the election results. She was dumped by the Trump campaign not long after a Nov. 19 press conference in which she claimed that agents from Iran and China infiltrated Dominion’s voting machines to help Biden, and that the software had ties to Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez, who died in 2013.


“Powell’s wild accusations are demonstrably false,” the company, based in Toronto and Denver, said in the complaint. “Acting in concert with allies and media outlets that were determined to promote a false preconceived narrative about the 2020 election, Powell launched a viral disinformation campaign about Dominion that reached millions of people and caused enormous harm to Dominion.”

The case could be the first of numerous suits against individuals and media outlets accused of trashing the company’s reputation by repeating or broadcasting wild conspiracy theories to explain President Donald Trump’s failed bid for a second term. Trump’s lead election lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, Fox News and the White House itself were among those who received letters from Dominion’s attorneys in December.


“It’s very easy to say something on Twitter without evidence,” Dominion Chief Executive Officer John Poulos said during a virtual press call Friday. “It is another thing to have to come forward in a court of law and identify your basis for making these statements.”



Also named as a defendant in the suit is Defending the Republic Inc., based in Dallas. Powell has a website, defendingtherepublic.org, on which she continues to solicit donations for her work “to defend and to protect the integrity of elections in the United States.”

Powell claimed that Dominion carried out the alleged scam with help from thousands of corrupt Democratic election workers. Those allegations were repeated in several lawsuits Powell filed independently from the campaign challenging election results in battleground states. She described her litigation as “releasing the Kraken,” a reference to a mythical sea monster unleashed by Zeus in the 1981 fantasy film “Clash of the Titans.” Judges swiftly rejected her claims for lack of credible evidence.

Powell also frequently discussed her theories about Dominion during television interviews with conservative media outlets, promising vast amounts of hard evidence that never materialized.

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The Dominion CEO said false election claims by Powell and others were linked to the violent storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 by Trump supporters, who purported to believe that the election had been stolen.

“We don’t view that as an isolated event,” Poulos said. “We believe the underlying emotions that we saw unfold this week is in large part because of the false narrative that has been promoted by actors like Sidney Powell and amplified by numerous social media platforms and repeated over and over even after they have been debunked.”

The company’s lawyer Tom Clare said Powell’s claims had caused “catastrophic damage” to the company, making it “radioactive” and putting corporate contracts in jeopardy.

Dominion in December demanded a retraction from Powell as well as conservative media outlets that aired her claims. The company signaled that litigation would almost certainly be necessary to help restore its reputation after the false claims about its operations were echoed by Trump, his campaign and other allies.

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Fox News, Newsmax and OAN all broadcast on-air clarifications distancing themselves from Powell’s claims. Dominion’s retraction demands were followed by a wider round of letters that also went to individuals including right-wing commentators Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, Trump-allied lawyers like Lin Wood and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone asking them to preserve evidence for possible future litigation.

Despite being dropped from the campaign legal team, Powell’s claims were largely embraced by Trump himself. She continued to advise the president informally and was invited to the White House for several meetings in December. Trump suggested naming her as a Justice Department special counsel to investigate voter-fraud allegations.

Dominion’s lawsuit puts Powell in the difficult position of needing to convince a judge that her allegedly false claims are actually true, since doing so would be the best possible defense in a defamation suit.



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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #62224 on: January 08, 2021, 06:01:28 PM »

They didn’t throw bricks at police or burn police buildings to the ground or beat innocent passers-by senseless. But they will have the book thrown at them, because it’s not the crime you commit that matters any more, it’s who you are.[/i]

Miranda is another of those you should stop listening to.

They had BOMBS, Bambu.

They KILLED a policeman.

They were there to KIDNAP or to take HOSTAGE some folks in Congress.
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« Reply #62225 on: January 08, 2021, 06:04:14 PM »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-08/sidney-powell-sued-by-dominion-voting-over-election-fraud-claims

Former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell was sued for defamation by the voting-machine company she repeatedly placed at the center of a vast and unfounded election conspiracy that she claimed switched votes to favor President-elect Joe Biden.

Good!

This along with the push for disbarment of Powell and Wood by Detroit seems like a good and necessary move.
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« Reply #62226 on: January 08, 2021, 06:07:56 PM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #62227 on: January 08, 2021, 06:23:27 PM »

Bambu

Shhhhhhhhh....

No whataboutism.  It's the lib's play.
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« Reply #62228 on: January 08, 2021, 06:31:43 PM »

"Sen. Cruz, you must accept responsibility for how your craven, self-serving actions contributed to the deaths of four people yesterday," Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., tweeted on Thursday. "And how you fundraised off this riot. Both you and Senator Hawley must resign. If you do not, the Senate should move for your expulsion."



Heh

Good luck with that, Toots.
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« Reply #62229 on: January 08, 2021, 06:38:55 PM »

Bambu

Shhhhhhhhh....

No whataboutism.  It's the lib's play.

Kid

Just can't be honest about this.

FUCKING BOMBS, Kid.

DEAD POLICEMAN.

STFU
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« Reply #62230 on: January 08, 2021, 06:39:29 PM »

"Sen. Cruz, you must accept responsibility for how your craven, self-serving actions contributed to the deaths of four people yesterday," Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., tweeted on Thursday. "And how you fundraised off this riot. Both you and Senator Hawley must resign. If you do not, the Senate should move for your expulsion."



Heh

Good luck with that, Toots.

I agree.

It won't happen.

No integrity.
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« Reply #62231 on: January 08, 2021, 06:42:09 PM »

Now, about that violent lot who took over the Capitol in Seattle at gunpoint, allegedly raided businesses and stood over the owners, set up their autonomous zone by force and held it by force/at gunpoint.

Any word from Joe and co about them?
Yes.
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« Reply #62232 on: January 08, 2021, 06:44:53 PM »

Daily Telegraph:

Miranda writes;

Miranda Devine: Suddenly, political violence is a problem

The rabble that stormed Capitol Hill behaved appallingly but where was the left that is condemning them when their side was burning down American cities, asks Miranda Devine.


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Indeed.


The storming of the US Capitol by a group of fired-up Trump supporters was a tragedy for the Republican party, for conservatives and populist nationalists — and for Donald Trump and his legacy.

It has bestowed the great gift of the moral high ground on the most undeserving people in the world: Joe Biden and the left.

They now have a free pass to persecute their ideological enemies while enacting their pet cultural Marxist projects and changing America irrevocably for the worst.

They will be unimpeded by a Senate now in Democratic control, thanks to Tuesday’s Georgia run-off debacle.

Those selfies they took on the House floor – or in the case of one bearded man, sitting in House Speaker’s Nancy Pelosi’s evacuated office with his feet on her desk — were dumb and self-incriminating.
I hope they were worth it, because you know they won’t receive the kid glove treatment that BLM-Antifa received with last year’s “mostly peaceful protests”.

They didn’t throw bricks at police or burn police buildings to the ground or beat innocent passers-by senseless. But they will have the book thrown at them, because it’s not the crime you commit that matters any more, it’s who you are.

E ery Democratic politician of note condemned the violence. Someone should tell that devine idiot.
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« Reply #62233 on: January 08, 2021, 06:48:31 PM »

Actually it was all a misunderstanding.
When Trump told the crowd to march to the Capitol he was actually referring to Capitol Hill Cleaners & Laundry, where for a fair price they could get their MAGA hats professionally cleaned.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #62234 on: January 08, 2021, 06:55:05 PM »

TWITTER suspends Trump permanently.


 
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