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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2018, 05:02:06 PM »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-russia-collusion-crime-manafort-investigation-a8469741.html

Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.

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National Review's Andrew McCarthy arguing on Fox News last week that there’s nothing necessarily wrong with the president’s political operation possibly having turned to a foreign adversary to help win an American election.

“Look, I don’t think that it’s bad if campaigns are turning to foreign governments for dirt. It’s not collusion, it’s not something that’s impeachable, it’s icky. But that’s what this is.”

All this time wasted claiming they never colluded when they could have just said this, instead.

Of course, this means that they have realized that the evidence is in that they did collude. But we should ignore that, as well as the pre-meeting strategy session that Rudy insists did not happen, but for which he indicates Rick Gates was in attendance.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2018, 06:29:35 PM »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-russia-collusion-crime-manafort-investigation-a8469741.html

Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.

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National Review's Andrew McCarthy arguing on Fox News last week that there’s nothing necessarily wrong with the president’s political operation possibly having turned to a foreign adversary to help win an American election.

“Look, I don’t think that it’s bad if campaigns are turning to foreign governments for dirt. It’s not collusion, it’s not something that’s impeachable, it’s icky. But that’s what this is.”

All this time wasted claiming they never colluded when they could have just said this, instead.

Of course, this means that they have realized that the evidence is in that they did collude. But we should ignore that, as well as the pre-meeting strategy session that Rudy insists did not happen, but for which he indicates Rick Gates was in attendance.

A few points to be made here in response, outside of the obvious goal-post moving that indicates that after 18 months of tweeting "No Collusion" in all caps, proof of Trump's colluding is coming down the pike:

1. Accepting "dirt" from foreign governments is illegal.  Its a violation of campaign finance laws that prohibit the acceptance of anything of value.  Reasons for this are obvious.  The same reason that contributions directly to a campaign are capped, and the contributors identified.  How does accepting help from Russia, secretly, not run afoul of this law, Putin was simply exercising his free speech rights under the first amendment?

2.  We aren't talking about "dirt."  To use a comparison Trump supporters are fond of making, Steele interviewing people in Russia to report on Trump's doings in that country is digging up "dirt."  Hacking into the emails of Americans is a crime.  As is spreading misinformation and fake news on Facebook under the guise of being a concerned US Citizen, defined in Mueller's indictments as "conspiracy against the United States."  So colluding with a  party to commit a crime is absolutely a crime.  Its called being an accessory.  And again, I don't know what I am missing for this to be untrue.

3.  Under the same heading as above, aren't you an accessory to a crime when you knowingly benefit from it and don't report it to the authorities?  Trump Campaign did not contact the FBI when people within the campaign knew the Russians hacked the DNC etc, and in fact actively pointed elsewhere in their public statements. 

4.  Lying to Congress is a crime.  Even when you aren't sworn in.  So unless there is testimony from Trump associates in the know that have already admitted to collusion, they have likely told a number of provable lies to Congress.  Most notably, Trump Junior, who (it already may appear, if Cohen is to be believed) perjured himself in front of Congress when he claimed that he did not tell his father about meeting with Russians in Trump Tower. 

5.  Collusion would provide the impetus to show intent to obstruct justice.  Which is a crime.

6.  If the collusion happened due to circumstances that predated Trump's candidacy, that's treason/conspiracy against the US.  For example, if Trump knew he would be in debt to Putin because of the Pee Tape, or because of money laundering, or something else, but ran anyway.

And if the above isn't a "crime" that's beside the point.  It delegitimizes Trump's Presidency, reveals him to be disloyal to the US, and becomes a tremendous political liability for Trump and the political party that has done everything in their power to shield him despite his possibly treasonous actions.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2018, 06:47:07 PM »

I don't consider this place open for business unless and until Red returns to teaching us things.
Somebody has to.

Pig’s breath, I missed you.

I look forward to more of your inane and grotesque commentary.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2018, 07:04:03 PM »

https://gritpost.com/koch-funded-study-medicare-for-all/

In other news, the conservative leaning Mercatus Center accidentally pointed out that Medicare for all would be cheaper than either the current "system" or if we did away with ACA altogether and their figure was likely a lowball figure for the difference.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2018, 07:20:44 PM »

 Socialism!!!!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2018, 08:01:19 PM »

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“Just landed — a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea . Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!”
It's a good thing that Trump declared (tweeted) that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat!

Otherwise, we might need to be concerned about their missile construction.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399604-us-intelligence-agencies-determine-that-north-korea-is-constructing
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2018, 08:39:05 PM »

The looked into his eyes and saw a monster. They watch the news and see the cascading domestic disasters. They know he will probably start a war at some point soon (a pointless war we won’t win) and are working to be a less attractive target than Iran or Venezuela.

NK has had a lot of practice being an embattled psychotic regime. They may be nuts, but they’re not crazy. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2018, 11:48:49 PM »

Still winning.

Except at spelling or, perhaps, reading.

If you would like, Kid, we can either delete the old "kidcarter8" screen name so you can convert this one to it or, if you prefer, you can just log into it by clicking on the login option from HOME.

It didnt work

Its ok .. I am not offended
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2018, 11:51:24 PM »



Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.





The mayor is correct
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2018, 12:09:21 AM »

If I were running the Democrats in America I'd be promising 'free healthcare for all' at the next election.
Free care/treatment in public hospitals, for the lowliest citizens to the richest.

Free visits to doctors who are willing to accept the amount of govt rebate for a visit.

Why should a poor person not be able to visit a doctor, free?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2018, 12:43:41 AM »



Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.


The mayor is correct

So glad the "Russia thing is over" eh kidcarter8?

I doubt any of the regular posters here are surprised that you agree with Rudy on this point.  Nor would any of them be surprised that you provide no supporting argument for your opinion.  You have received your marching orders, Trumpist.  Working with an enemy of the US to defraud American Democracy is A-OK if there isn't a specific criminal statute that forbids it.  That's Patriotism.

If only it were so simple.  Some late night reading for you:

http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/sites/ca6/files/documents/pattern_jury/pdf/10%20Chapter%204_mtd_0.pdf

Without breaking out the scenarios, all three sub-chapters might apply.

Bigger picture; the US Department of Justice certainly seems to think "collusion" (whatever word you use to describe the Campaign's alleged cooperation with Putin) is or is related to criminal activity.  Otherwise, this wouldn't be a line of inquiry for Mueller.  So to believe that the summation of a credible response to Mueller is "Collusion is not a crime" is to believe in the "Deep State" derp that labels said inquiry a "witch hunt."

Again, no one here would be surprised if you shared that view, kidcarter8.  You keep doing you.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2018, 01:13:19 AM »

Kid you have found the White Castle of news feeds, and like all of those who turn to White Castle as their sole source of sustenance, your ass has utterly eclipsed and encompassed the rest of you. At least while encompassing you your ass has obscured your face which may have been the only means of improving it.

You are a whole ass asshole, stinking and proud.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2018, 01:32:15 AM »

To begin with, 80 percent of the children who have crossed over since 2014 are not with parents but are unaccompanied. Only 20 percent come with parents.

LOL. How do these dimwits think this statistic disproves the Trump Administration policy of separating children from parents legally requesting refugee status, and their failure to fully comply with court ordered reunification?
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