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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7740 on: December 26, 2018, 11:26:35 PM »

I'll take a crack at it...

Too much government debt

Too little personal savings

Too much credit card debt,  too much student debt

Lack of affordable new housing,  insufficient home ownership

Computerized trading creates too much volatility and "rollercoaster" market

Too large a percentage of wealth in hands of top one percent


Hmmm
And what do you propose we do about that?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7741 on: December 26, 2018, 11:27:35 PM »

Three new pages of spam.   That B and T forum will become a spam magnet, Josh.    Get the honcho to ban them and their IP address range.

"Get the honcho..." to do anything. He really doesn't want to be bothered with this message board, for all that he does keep it alive.

I will ditch the spam and try locking it, but I am not optimistic.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7742 on: December 26, 2018, 11:34:09 PM »

Today, the DJIA dived under 22,000, down to a number last seen on September 8th, 2017.

But it will take two more days like this to get it under 21,000 (close of May 24, 2017) and three more to get it under 20,000. (close of February, 2, 2017.

The day before his inauguration (January 19, 2017) closed at 19,732.40.

Three more days like today would bring us a mere 10 points above that. We have four days before New Year's. Could be close!

Heh.
Kid got a new car last year. The economy's fine.
What’s wrong with the economy in your opinion?

In addition to Barton's list:

Overinflated market value.
How?
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Overall stagnant wages when inflation is included, except for the top wage earners.
Total ignorance
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The tariffs - almost all of them.
I’d agree but that game has not played out
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The war of words directed at the Fed Chair.
Guess you missed today’s news
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Mnuchin.
Another missed news item by you.
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And the obvious one.
Ah!  Trump!
Just remember it was McCain and Palin who got it right a decade ago.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7743 on: December 26, 2018, 11:49:45 PM »

Today, the DJIA dived under 22,000, down to a number last seen on September 8th, 2017.

But it will take two more days like this to get it under 21,000 (close of May 24, 2017) and three more to get it under 20,000. (close of February, 2, 2017.

The day before his inauguration (January 19, 2017) closed at 19,732.40.

Three more days like today would bring us a mere 10 points above that. We have four days before New Year's. Could be close!

Heh.
Kid got a new car last year. The economy's fine.
What’s wrong with the economy in your opinion?

In addition to Barton's list:

Overinflated market value.
How?
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Overall stagnant wages when inflation is included, except for the top wage earners.
Total ignorance
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The tariffs - almost all of them.
I’d agree but that game has not played out
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The war of words directed at the Fed Chair.
Guess you missed today’s news
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Mnuchin.
Another missed news item by you.
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And the obvious one.
Ah!  Trump!
Just remember it was McCain and Palin who got it right a decade ago.

Yes, DimWard, total ignorance.

Hassett's and Trump's reassurances concerning either individual are worthless and you know it, even if you cannot admit it to us.

Like your denial about wages. The numbers say you are wrong. You say you are right. I'll believe the numbers, thank you.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7744 on: December 26, 2018, 11:51:13 PM »

John and Sarah quietly stepped aside in the face of a better ticket. Mitt and Paul did the same.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/27/australias-extreme-heatwave-spans-five-states-with-high-of-49c-forecast

Nothing to see here. Carry on as normal. Remain calm.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7745 on: December 26, 2018, 11:51:40 PM »

Meanwhile, the "Commander" in Chief did a good thing by (finally) visiting the troops and then a bad thing by exposing names, assignments, and pictures of a clandestine SEAL team.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

Yeah, go ahead and defend that.

Then tell us what you would have said had Obama done the same thing.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7746 on: December 27, 2018, 07:43:12 AM »

The Trump defenders here apparently have never heard of a Dead Cat Bounce.  Talking about “ignorance “....I hope it’s not the case. But filling the forum with five pages af victory dances after one good day really shows a breathtaking amount of cluelessness.
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7747 on: December 27, 2018, 07:44:18 AM »

The Trump defenders here apparently have never heard of a Dead Cat Bounce.  Talking about “ignorance “....I hope it’s not the case. But filling the forum with five pages af victory dances after one good day really shows a breathtaking amount of cluelessness.

And when things are going poorly they are the FIRST tot tell you the markets have nothing to do with the economy or Trump’s stewardship of it.
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7748 on: December 27, 2018, 07:45:58 AM »

Meanwhile, the "Commander" in Chief did a good thing by (finally) visiting the troops and then a bad thing by exposing names, assignments, and pictures of a clandestine SEAL team.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

Yeah, go ahead and defend that.

Then tell us what you would have said had Obama done the same thing.

He won’t be telling you anything. Just as he had nothing to say about Mattis or Syria. When of course had it been Obama he’d say plenty.

Sold his soul for some tax cuts and judges. Today’s GOP.
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7750 on: December 27, 2018, 10:21:12 AM »

Too many republicans running on the lower taxes, trickle down plank over the past few decades. Very popular but harmful for the economy in many ways. Democrats do not want to fight for higher progressive taxes even if they are needed.

---A.Total US tax revenue equaled 26 percent of gross domestic product, well below the 33 percent weighted average for developed countries.---

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes-compare-internationally

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7751 on: December 27, 2018, 11:37:43 AM »

Good point, and helpful link,  Luee.   It's hard to fit the solid reasons for progressive taxation onto a bumper sticker or billboard,  while the opponents can make short punchy phrases to attack it.   More and more politics in this country is just demagoguery. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7752 on: December 27, 2018, 01:24:57 PM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #7753 on: December 27, 2018, 01:56:10 PM »



Today was a good day - the best day of 2018, back up nearly 1,100 points.

According to the local Washington D.C. newspaper
it was the “ best day, ever!”
800 points below what it was a.week ago. Best day! But it least it gives you something to talk about besides pretending lowering gas prices was because of Trump's energy policies.
I never said that.
But behave as expected.
Notice that oil had a large increase in price, the biggest upsurge in two years, and the overall market still had its best day, EVER.

I was thinking percentage when I said best day, rather than raw points.

In terms of total points, that's correct. But before you get to ebullient about that...

Of the 10 largest single day gains ever in points, 9 of them were either 2008 (3) or 2018 (6).

Of the 12 single largest day losses ever in points, 11 of them were either 2008 (4) or 2018 (7).

(Of the top 20 gains, 2 more 2008 and 2 more 2018. Of the top 20 losses, 4 more 2018 - more than half in this year, alone.)

Looking at the percentages, this gain doesn't crack the top 20 biggest ups! 2008 had a couple of those. 2009 another. But 15 of them came during the Great Depression.

And the worst downs? 3 from 2008. Only 8 from the Great Depression. One of the 1000+ drops was even greater than this up was an up, but not as high a percentage, as it came from 2000 points higher.

But I really don't think roller coaster ups and down all year are a sign of stable economy or country.

I'm a lot less sanguine about the situation than you are.
What have you shown that represents an UNSTABLE economy?

To anybody but you, plenty. This kind of volitility in the stock market only comes in years in which a substantial recession or depression has followed.

To you, nothing, because you only see what you want to see and only discuss that which favors your previously held position.

For example, your exuberence over yesterday's stock market compared with silence the rest of the time over the last week, including today, with its 500+ plus drop (so far).
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« Reply #7754 on: December 27, 2018, 02:36:50 PM »

https://www.axios.com/barack-michelle-obama-gallup-most-admired-people-a991e551-7e53-4da6-90e1-33da61ef088d.html

But... but... Red tells us we are all thankful he is gone!

I notice Elongated Musk (that auto-correct is too good to fix) got 1 percent of the vote, tied with Bill Clinton, Joe Biden,  and the Dalai Lama.   This is the Elon Musk who called a Thai cave rescuer a pedophile and then later defended his slander as free speech.   

Of course,  the polled group gave Trump 13% so I guess tweeting slander and defamation is a popular path to garnering admiration these days.   The "we go high" Obama got an extra 6% over Trump.   I notice the list doesn't come anywhere near to adding up to 100 % which makes me wonder who else got votes.
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