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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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josh

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #9030 on: January 27, 2019, 02:47:07 PM »


The 16th Amendment allows taxing of income, but does not preclude other taxes.


The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


Yes.

It is not exclusionary.
It is limited to income.

Idiot.

The 16th is about income.

It does not preclude other taxes. Read the debates in Congress at the time. Read later SCOTUS cases. Read the links provided.

Or STFU.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #9031 on: January 27, 2019, 03:01:25 PM »


The 16th Amendment allows taxing of income, but does not preclude other taxes.


The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


Yes.

It is not exclusionary.
It is limited to income.

Idiot.

The 16th is about income.

It does not preclude other taxes. Read the debates in Congress at the time. Read later SCOTUS cases. Read the links provided.

Or STFU.
Read the amendment 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #9032 on: January 27, 2019, 03:11:26 PM »

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....It is closer to property tax, which taxes accumulated property. Not that Red is right about its constitutionality. He has no real clue himself and is regurgitating something...   

Clever to shift the topic to legalities, so we get off the more pertinent matter of basic fairness to those whose hard work actually produces all that wealth.  Anyone with over 50 million in the bank has it thanks to hundreds or thousands of people who made that wealth.  This easily graspable reality was well understood during the Enlightenment and I have yet to hear a compelling reason why the rich should not repay society. 

All arguments eventually boil down to pitting individual glorification against communitarian values.  The inherent flaw in the individualist notion of succcess is that nobody makes mega-millions themselves.  The people who really make our civilization run are the workers.  Food, shelter, transport, utilities....without workers we are all dead.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #9033 on: January 27, 2019, 03:39:05 PM »

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....It is closer to property tax, which taxes accumulated property. Not that Red is right about its constitutionality. He has no real clue himself and is regurgitating something...   

Clever to shift the topic to legalities, so we get off the more pertinent matter of basic fairness to those whose hard work actually produces all that wealth.  Anyone with over 50 million in the bank has it thanks to hundreds or thousands of people who made that wealth.  This easily graspable reality was well understood during the Enlightenment and I have yet to hear a compelling reason why the rich should not repay society. 


I’m confused. Warren wants a Wealth Tax. Bernie wants “ Free” College and Medicare for All. AOC wants 70% tax rate on rich to finance the MEOW on Climate Change. And AOC also says a country that allows Billionaires is “ immoral”.  But now you say we need billionaires’ money to underwrite all this?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #9034 on: January 27, 2019, 04:13:20 PM »


The 16th Amendment allows taxing of income, but does not preclude other taxes.


The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


Yes.

It is not exclusionary.
It is limited to income.

Idiot.

The 16th is about income.

It does not preclude other taxes. Read the debates in Congress at the time. Read later SCOTUS cases. Read the links provided.

Or STFU.
Read the amendment

Learn ENGLISH.

The Amendment is simpler than you think it is. There is no exclusion of other taxes.

But, again, stop relying on your own language skills, as they are not availing you here.

You are not a legal expert.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #9035 on: January 27, 2019, 04:13:59 PM »

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....It is closer to property tax, which taxes accumulated property. Not that Red is right about its constitutionality. He has no real clue himself and is regurgitating something...   

Clever to shift the topic to legalities, so we get off the more pertinent matter of basic fairness to those whose hard work actually produces all that wealth.  Anyone with over 50 million in the bank has it thanks to hundreds or thousands of people who made that wealth.  This easily graspable reality was well understood during the Enlightenment and I have yet to hear a compelling reason why the rich should not repay society. 


I’m confused.

That's for sure.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #9036 on: January 27, 2019, 04:33:20 PM »

Ivanka Trump

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Seventy four years ago, the remaining prisoners of Auschwitz-Birkenau were liberated.

We recognize International Holocaust Remembrance Day to commemorate and honor the lives lost to evil and the strength of those who stood up to confront it.

Never forget and Never Again!

#HolocaustMemorialDay
#WeRemember

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The good people must always be strong. The world is a bad place when the evil people are stronger than the good people. And the good people must always take action. 

Never forget and never again!

Salute,

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #9037 on: January 27, 2019, 04:37:19 PM »

In Apparent Shot at Trump, Pope Says ‘Builders of Walls’ Sow Fear and Divide
POSTED 12:58 PM, JANUARY 26, 2019, BY CNN WIRE
 
Pope Francis has taken another shot at wall-building politicians, telling thousands of Catholics in Panama gathered for World Youth Day that “builders of walls sow fear” and “divide people.”

“We know that the father of lies, the devil, prefers a community divided and bickering,” Francis told a crowd of tens of thousands of youth Thursday night at a seaside park in Panama City.

“This is the criteria to divide people: The builders of bridges and the builders of walls, those builders of walls sow fear and look to divide people. What do you want to be?”

When the crowd replied “builders of bridges,” Francis replied, “You learned well. I like that.”

The Pope’s remarks seemed to be a clear reference to President Donald Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the US-Mexico border. Trump’s demand for $5.7 billion for the wall has led to a partial government shutdown for 34 days and counting.

On Wednesday, after Trump tweeted a new slogan, “Build a wall and crime will fall,” a journalist on the papal plane asked Pope Francis about Trump’s proposal. The Pope said such measures are driven by fear. “It is the fear that makes us crazy.”

It wasn’t the first time Trump and Francis have tussled over the proposed border wall.

“A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian,” Francis said in 2016. “This is not the gospel.”

Trump immediately fired back, calling Francis’ comments “disgraceful.”

“No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion or faith,” he said in a statement.

Pope visiting youth prison
World Youth Day continues until Sunday. Despite the shadow of controversy because of the clergy sexual abuse crisis, the trip is a coming home of sorts for Pope Francis, the first Latin American pontiff.

According to the Vatican, about 150,000 youth have enrolled so far, a much lower turnout than World Youth Days in 2013 in Rio de Janeiro and in 2016 in Krakow, Poland, which attracted about 3 million each.

During his speeches on his five-day trip to Panama, the Pope has repeatedly criticized the use of fear as a driver of divisions and the creator of an us-versus-them mentality.

On Thursday, Francis, the son of Italian immigrants, said that “forced migration,” driven by violence and poverty, is thrusting young migrants to leave everything behind and take a perilous journey for safer ground.

“They find themselves boxed in and lacking opportunities, amid highly confidential situations with no quick solution: domestic violence, the killing of women — our continent is experiencing a plague in this regard — armed gangs and criminals, drug trafficking and sexual exploitation of minors and young people,” Francis said to a gathering of Central American bishops in Panama.

Overcoming these fears, he said, will require the church to do more than just welcome immigrants. Instead, he instructed his bishops to create dialogue “to help overcome fears and suspicions” that live in the imaginations of people.

On Friday, Francis visited to a youth detention center in Panama, where he warned that division creates an “invisible wall.”

“This attitude spoils everything, because it erects an invisible wall that makes people think that, if we marginalize, separate and isolate others, all our problems will magically be solved,” Francis said.

Instead of backbiting and fighting on the issue, which the Pope says is a cycle society can fall into, Francis said communities should work to “create opportunities and change.”

https://ktla.com/2019/01/26/in-apparent-shot-at-trump-pope-says-builders-of-walls-sow-fear-and-divide/

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The wall not only goes against what we stand for as Americans, it also goes against what we stand for as Christians.

And we can spend the money in much better ways, such as spending money on brand new modern water systems where they are needed, etc, etc, etc.

NO WALL!

Salute,

Tony V.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #9038 on: January 27, 2019, 05:04:39 PM »

Ivanka Trump

6 hrs ·

Seventy four years ago, the remaining prisoners of Auschwitz-Birkenau were liberated.

We recognize International Holocaust Remembrance Day to commemorate and honor the lives lost to evil and the strength of those who stood up to confront it.

Never forget and Never Again!

It would have been nice if her tweet hadn't had her picture there, at the same time.

And... it would be nice if she stood up those seeking to further the causes of antisemitism, racism, etc.

She is far better at platitudes than at working to make a difference. Perhaps she will be better when she is no longer in this precarious position. (Not holding my breath, however.)
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« Reply #9039 on: January 27, 2019, 06:21:27 PM »

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....It is closer to property tax, which taxes accumulated property. Not that Red is right about its constitutionality. He has no real clue himself and is regurgitating something...   

Clever to shift the topic to legalities, so we get off the more pertinent matter of basic fairness to those whose hard work actually produces all that wealth.  Anyone with over 50 million in the bank has it thanks to hundreds or thousands of people who made that wealth.  This easily graspable reality was well understood during the Enlightenment and I have yet to hear a compelling reason why the rich should not repay society. 


I’m confused. Warren wants a Wealth Tax. Bernie wants “ Free” College and Medicare for All. AOC wants 70% tax rate on rich to finance the MEOW on Climate Change. And AOC also says a country that allows Billionaires is “ immoral”.  But now you say we need billionaires’ money to underwrite all this?

You’re not confused...
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« Reply #9040 on: January 27, 2019, 06:32:26 PM »

---“We know that the father of lies, the devil, prefers a community divided and bickering,” Francis told a crowd of tens of thousands of youth Thursday night at a seaside park in Panama City.---


Oh no not the devil, only the Pope can protect you from the devil! He wants to bring his most ignorant, violent, and superstitious followers to America or the devil will take your soul.
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« Reply #9041 on: January 27, 2019, 06:43:48 PM »

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....It is closer to property tax, which taxes accumulated property. Not that Red is right about its constitutionality. He has no real clue himself and is regurgitating something...   

Clever to shift the topic to legalities, so we get off the more pertinent matter of basic fairness to those whose hard work actually produces all that wealth.  Anyone with over 50 million in the bank has it thanks to hundreds or thousands of people who made that wealth.  This easily graspable reality was well understood during the Enlightenment and I have yet to hear a compelling reason why the rich should not repay society. 


I’m confused. Warren wants a Wealth Tax. Bernie wants “ Free” College and Medicare for All. AOC wants 70% tax rate on rich to finance the MEOW on Climate Change. And AOC also says a country that allows Billionaires is “ immoral”.  But now you say we need billionaires’ money to underwrite all this?

You’re not confused...

Not about that, anyway...
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« Reply #9042 on: January 27, 2019, 07:02:37 PM »

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....It is closer to property tax, which taxes accumulated property. Not that Red is right about its constitutionality. He has no real clue himself and is regurgitating something...   

Clever to shift the topic to legalities, so we get off the more pertinent matter of basic fairness to those whose hard work actually produces all that wealth.  Anyone with over 50 million in the bank has it thanks to hundreds or thousands of people who made that wealth.  This easily graspable reality was well understood during the Enlightenment and I have yet to hear a compelling reason why the rich should not repay society. 


I’m confused. Warren wants a Wealth Tax. Bernie wants “ Free” College and Medicare for All. AOC wants 70% tax rate on rich to finance the MEOW on Climate Change. And AOC also says a country that allows Billionaires is “ immoral”.  But now you say we need billionaires’ money to underwrite all this?

You’re not confused...

I am, at least as to what "finance the MEOW on climate change" means.  Or why Red remains so obsessed with AOC, unless its just about rooftop dancing. 
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« Reply #9043 on: January 27, 2019, 07:06:51 PM »

must be "moral equivalent of war"

new acronym for me

though it does apply to one of our cats, who has weaponized her meow when she wants attention to a food crisis.  very strident and sustained.

(my keyboard, on my android, has a bug now, hence the lc)

(plus side:  autocomplete has also shut down)

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« Reply #9044 on: January 27, 2019, 07:15:52 PM »

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....It is closer to property tax, which taxes accumulated property. Not that Red is right about its constitutionality. He has no real clue himself and is regurgitating something...   

Clever to shift the topic to legalities, so we get off the more pertinent matter of basic fairness to those whose hard work actually produces all that wealth.  Anyone with over 50 million in the bank has it thanks to hundreds or thousands of people who made that wealth.  This easily graspable reality was well understood during the Enlightenment and I have yet to hear a compelling reason why the rich should not repay society. 


I’m confused. Warren wants a Wealth Tax. Bernie wants “ Free” College and Medicare for All. AOC wants 70% tax rate on rich to finance the MEOW on Climate Change. And AOC also says a country that allows Billionaires is “ immoral”.  But now you say we need billionaires’ money to underwrite all this?

You’re not confused...

I am, at least as to what "finance the MEOW on climate change" means.  Or why Red remains so obsessed with AOC, unless its just about rooftop dancing.
Moral Equivalence Of War, a mark of democrat and progressive policy since Woodrow Wilson.  As for AOC any obsession of
her comes from the media who has sought to make her the up[ and coming star of the party.  No wonder Bernie and Warren are now seeking the cameras more and more. 
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