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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

Josh knows Trump wants more funding for detention centers to house entire families.  Just doesn't factor into his posts.


Trump continuing what Obama was doing. 

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213525764.html

No numbers on children separated from their parents under Obama is available because the Obama administration didn’t keep them, according to Trump DHS officials.




so, are there numbers for child border crossing. month to month - up to present day?  I would think it is decreasing.

Check the chart in this article...

Trump made separating families a matter of standard practice. Obama did not.

It’s not that no family was ever separated at the border under the Obama administration. But former Obama administration officials specify that families were separated only in particular circumstances — for instance, if a father was carrying drugs — that went above and beyond a typical case of illegal entry.


Both presidents housed “unaccompanied” minors in temporary facilities — but under Obama, they’d pretty much all arrived in the US unaccompanied


The 2014 border “surge” was driven partly by an increase in families attempting to cross into the US from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador. But it was primarily driven by an increase in “unaccompanied alien children” — people under 18, coming to the US without parents or guardians — from those same countries.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/17488458/obama-immigration-policy-family-separation-border

[kiidcarter8]

Obama administration also separated Haitian families, never making sure - or trying to - of any reunion.

[barton]

Factcheck:

https://www.apnews.com/91e9489c7f434099a987bed7defd3f1d

[josh]

Amazing how many do not know that illegal immigration is a crime.

Amazing how you don't understand that it is legal to come to the US and apply for asylum - that it is legal for *anybody* in the United States from a foreign country for less than a year to apply for asylum!

Amazing how you keep talking about the barrier when it won't stop the bulk of people here against our immigration laws, but you never address the others.

Amazing how you fail to address the very simple solution to the asylum seekers who have been refused permission to even apply, by sending in folks to evaluate the claims rather than sending thousands of troops to "control" the problem.

Amazing how you cannot or will not hear the officials on the border, who tell you this is not an emergency, but only listen to the false information from this administration, which has proven it cannot be trusted.

Amazing how you ignore the crimes of this administration with regard to the children.

Amazing how you ignore that the numbers crossing the border from Mexico are lower than they have been in decades.
Or not so amazing, after all.

[josh]

Josh knows Trump wants more funding for detention centers to house entire families.  Just doesn't factor into his posts.


Trump continuing what Obama was doing. 

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213525764.html

No numbers on children separated from their parents under Obama is available because the Obama administration didn’t keep them, according to Trump DHS officials.




so, are there numbers for child border crossing. month to month - up to present day?  I would think it is decreasing.

You cite what Trump DHS officials say to make a point. It is to laugh.

It's a convenient deceit.

“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Further, the tent city proposal that President Trump made is basically another way to waste government money while benefiting his supporters. "Housing someone in a tent city costs about $775 per day. Housing someone in a traditional immigration detention center costs between $133 to $319 per day. Releasing immigrants under community supervision or electronic monitoring costs about $4.50 per day."

But Kiiid, your "rebuttal" continues to dodge commentary about what has already happened.

What Trump & Co. are doing is unconscionable, unless you are amoral.

And I have long since told you that during the brief period in which Obama did a fraction of what Trump was doing, I protested that, too.

You? You only have it in you to protest Democrats, the vast bulk of the time. You cannot bring yourself to admit that Trump's policies with regard to these children are flat wrong.

[josh]

Obama administration also separated Haitian families, never making sure - or trying to - of any reunion.

a) Sez you.

b) Already repeatedly pointed out: Obama was not a saint. That his administration did some heinous things does not excuse your support of Trump's policies.

"Well, yeah, I may have murdered 10 people, but he murdered one, too!" is not an excuse. It is not a rationale. It is a feeble attempt to justify the unjustifiable by distraction.

You are an amoral asshole, Kiid.

Obama is no longer president. We cannot change what he did. We potentially could change what Trump might do in the future, by acknowledging what he has been doing thus far.

Or you can continue to whine about how unfair we are to Trump, because what Obama did was 1/10th or 1/100th as bad.

[josh]

https://www.chron.com/houston/article/Mumps-confirmed-at-ICE-dentention-facility-13603857.php

Should not have come as a surprise, but I suspect they are ill-equipped to deal with it.

[FlyingVProd]

I support having a community of laws which we create for our own good, such as child labor laws, and minimum wage laws, etc, and I support all people in our community being obligated to obey our laws. As members of our community we need to all follow the rules of our community. I also support programs to feed and house the poor in our community, etc.

We need to make our immigrants legal, so that they can be protected by our laws. We need to bring the immigrants out of the shadows and make them legal like Reagan did. 

We have a great nation, with great laws and social programs, and we need to bring people out of the shadows and welcome them to the protection and safety net that our nation provides, we need to welcome them to our society, instead of forcing them to hide in the shadows. We need to make our immigrants legal, and we need to make it easier for future immigrants to come here legally, and we need to especially make it easier for our neighbors to come here legally. 

Advancements in labor laws, and civil rights, etc, are worthless if you have to hide in the shadows as an illegal immigrant, we need to bring the immigrants out of the shadows and make them legal so that they can enjoy the advancements and protections provided in the USA. And so that they can join labor unions, etc. 

Salute,

Tony V.

[FlyingVProd]

Tony, this is a chat forum, so it's the custom to post links to longer essays and such.  Have you considered getting a free blog (several web hosts provide free space), which you could link us to?  Screen dumps like the above aren't a great fit when people are chatting.  JMO.

Ahhhhhhshaddapppp

Good stuff, Tony

Thanks, Kid!

Salute,

Tony V.

[josh]

I look forward to DimBulb's and Kiiid's excuses for this unforced error by Governor Northam:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/virginia-politics-2019-weekend/index.html

Northam refers to enslaved Africans as "indentured servants from Africa"

[LarryBnDC]

Obama administration also separated Haitian families, never making sure - or trying to - of any reunion.

Y’all remember Tom Peters? I saw him perform at some MLM convention when I was the AV guy st the Roosevelt Hotel.

He was talking about a consulting report he had delivered to a company and how one of the managers had taken umbrage at the tough love criticism:

“Tom, we are no worse than any of our competition!”

Peters put up a slide with a company logo and slogan:

“Wilson’s Widgets, we are no worse than anybody else!”

This is why conservatives and the GOP can always depend on that hardcore base that gonna ride or die.

[LarryBnDC]

I look forward to DimBulb's and Kiiid's excuses for this unforced error by Governor Northam:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/virginia-politics-2019-weekend/index.html

Northam refers to enslaved Africans as "indentured servants from Africa"

He should just shut his mouth, but... dude was gonna Moonwalk at the press conference.

He has to thread the eye of a very narrow needle and he don’t have the chops... what’s saving him is black voters will not allow the State to be turned over to the GOP.

Malcolm Nance always says “Coincidences take careful planning.”

[REDSTATEWARD]

Updates

Justin Fairfax accuser at Duke now says she was raped by  a Blue Devil Basketball player in 1999.
Duke will investigate.  It has experience in this.

Poll shows voters in Virginia split on Northam, 47 per cent say he should go, the same number say he should stay.
Interesting that neither answer got a majority.

And Budget Negotiations broke down over the number of beds allowed at the border.
Dems want criminals counted equally wth all others.
Virginia squirrel alert the most obvious motive for this new demand.

[josh]

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/02/fox-friends-host-says-germs-are-not-real

He hasn't washed his hands in years, he said.

I feel as if this explains so much about Fox & Friends.

[kidcarter8]

Obama was not a saint. That his administration did some heinous things does not excuse your support of Trump's policies.

Well said

Obama is no longer president. We cannot change what he did.

Fix.  Some of it anyway.