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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17146 on: July 23, 2019, 02:50:56 PM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17147 on: July 23, 2019, 02:59:04 PM »

Quote from: josh link=topic=55.msg95938#msg95938 date=.


Where exactly is that 3.2% annual growth coming from, pray tell?
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Obviously from the tax cuts I got.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17148 on: July 23, 2019, 03:04:09 PM »

For the love of God, please just use a little of that tax cut for a formatting class.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 03:23:38 PM by Yankguy1 »
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17149 on: July 23, 2019, 03:26:34 PM »

Red means the growth rate is also fictitious.

As a tax cheat, Red got no cut. As a Nation we are experiencing no actual growth.

Trump Shuttle was booming, according to trump, till someone got a hold of the actual books. Then it was suddenly belly up. That’s how it works with gaslighting bust-out artists.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17150 on: July 23, 2019, 04:03:07 PM »

Meanwhile, the silence of the GOP poceeds unabated over Trump's bizarre (if not bizarre for him) statement below:

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"We’re like policemen. We’re not fighting a war. If we wanted to fight a war in Afghanistan and win it, I could win that war in a week. But I don’t want to kill 10 million people. Afghanistan could be wiped off the face of the Earth. I don’t want to go that route.”

Not that you would know it from Fox News, but Afghanistan wants answers.

(And by the way, President Trump, the population of Afghanistan is over 35 million.)

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17151 on: July 23, 2019, 04:04:12 PM »

https://www.foxnews.com/world/australian-woman-stabbed-mercedes-dad-charged

If only he'd had a gun like Americans can (in some places), so he could have killed himself after killing her!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17152 on: July 23, 2019, 04:28:59 PM »

The argument against raising the minimum wage from no less than the great Socialist.

After taking fire for paying some members of his salaried unionized campaign staff the equivalent of the market rate of $13 an hour, Bernie Sanders had to announce “he will cut staffers’ hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hour minimum.”


Thanks Bernie.

An argument that workers can be paid the same salary for less work is an argument against raising the minimum wage?  Some logic there.
Only if you misquote the facts. Which you did.

I was repeating your own post back to you.  If there is a misquotation of the facts here, its yours.

But this is actually a rare case in which you haven't, since you are using a direct quote.  And the meaning here is clear; the workers are getting paid the same overall salary for working fewer hours.

If you have facts that you would like to quote that show the worker's salary being reduced, quote them.  If you have facts that you would like to quote that show that workers are actually being fired, quote them.  You haven't.  So as it stands, your post is illogical.  Getting paid the same for less work is not an argument against raising the minimum wage.

Sanders' workers may have wanted an overall raise, but the fact is there is real value to having more time off, particularly for campaign staff working 20-30 hour weeks who probably have another paying gig.

And just so it is clear, its worth repeating; while this may be an own-goal on optics, in practical terms the parallel between Sanders' campaign workers and the larger economy is next to zero.  And there are piles of studies that show that what you and kiidcarter8 want so badly to be true is not in cases where minimum wage increases are phased in over time. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17153 on: July 23, 2019, 04:54:25 PM »

The argument against raising the minimum wage from no less than the great Socialist.

After taking fire for paying some members of his salaried unionized campaign staff the equivalent of the market rate of $13 an hour, Bernie Sanders had to announce “he will cut staffers’ hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hour minimum.”


Thanks Bernie.

An argument that workers can be paid the same salary for less work is an argument against raising the minimum wage?  Some logic there.
Only if you misquote the facts. Which you did.

I was repeating your own post back to you.  If there is a misquotation of the facts here, its yours.
Lol. You added the words
An argument that workers can be paid the same salary for less work is an argument against raising the minimum wage?  Some logic there.

A worker earning $11 for 40 hours work makes $ 440. At $15 an hour he or she only works 29.3 hours to make the same wage. Who makes up the 10 hours of lost work?
Maybe the worker is better off mentally for having a smaller workload. But Bernie the Candidate
almost assuredly, is not.
Either he does less with less or pays more to only stay even in the workload.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17154 on: July 23, 2019, 04:58:31 PM »

Unlike many of his rivals for the 2016 presidential nomination -- Jeb(!) Bush, Ted Cruz -- Trump never expressed any real concern about the rising deficits (and debt) in the country, nor did he seem terribly concerned about its potential impacts on the economy either now or in the future.

That was in keeping with how Trump had conducted his own personal business prior to running for office -- the self-proclaimed "King of Debt," Trump regularly borrowed heavily to finance his various projects. As Trump told CBS News' Norah O'Donnell during the 2016 campaign: "I've made a fortune by using debt, and if things don't work out, I renegotiate the debt. I mean, that's a smart thing, not a stupid thing."

Given that history, no one could, really, be surprised by the lack of interest or concern Trump has shown about adding to yearly deficits since being elected president. His much-hyped tax cuts are set to add $1.85 trillion to the national debt over an 11-year period, according to projections from the Congressional Budget Office. (The national debt has already grown to $22 trillion -- up more than $2 trillion since Trump came into office.) The federal deficit for this budgetary year, which has two more months left in it, is almost $750 billion -- an increase of nearly 25% from the previous year.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/23/politics/debt-deal-budget-ceiling/index.html


When it comes to debt and deficits were Republicans full of shit then or are they full of shit now?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/republicans-admit-everything-they-said-about-obama-was-a-lie.html
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17155 on: July 23, 2019, 04:59:47 PM »

Unlike many of his rivals for the 2016 presidential nomination -- Jeb(!) Bush, Ted Cruz -- Trump never expressed any real concern about the rising deficits (and debt) in the country, nor did he seem terribly concerned about its potential impacts on the economy either now or in the future.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/250597251800522752?lang=en
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Scary--Obama's budget deficits are so out of control that he has to borrow 40 cents on every dollar he spends.
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Obama is the most profligate deficit & debt spender in our nation’s history. Doubled debt (cont)

I happen to believe that Trump doesn't care about the debt or deficit.

He's just a liar who says whatever suits him.

Glad you've finally figured that out, Kid.

The Republicans never cared about debt or deficits...

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/republicans-admit-everything-they-said-about-obama-was-a-lie.html
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17156 on: July 23, 2019, 05:09:06 PM »

Unlike many of his rivals for the 2016 presidential nomination -- Jeb(!) Bush, Ted Cruz -- Trump never expressed any real concern about the rising deficits (and debt) in the country, nor did he seem terribly concerned about its potential impacts on the economy either now or in the future.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/250597251800522752?lang=en
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Scary--Obama's budget deficits are so out of control that he has to borrow 40 cents on every dollar he spends.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/388371705577897984?lang=en
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Obama is the most profligate deficit & debt spender in our nation’s history. Doubled debt (cont)

I happen to believe that Trump doesn't care about the debt or deficit.

He's just a liar who says whatever suits him.

Glad you've finally figured that out, Kid.

The Republicans never cared about debt or deficits...

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/republicans-admit-everything-they-said-about-obama-was-a-lie.html

Or as I said ealier today:
"But hey! Under this president, the former chief deficit hawk admitted that it was always a lie!"
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17157 on: July 23, 2019, 05:22:38 PM »

It’s about what you spend it on

Trump gladly cuts tax rates. Gladly boosts vet dollars. And gladly agrees to fund the 9/11 first responders fund
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17158 on: July 23, 2019, 05:31:45 PM »

The argument against raising the minimum wage from no less than the great Socialist.

After taking fire for paying some members of his salaried unionized campaign staff the equivalent of the market rate of $13 an hour, Bernie Sanders had to announce “he will cut staffers’ hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hour minimum.”


Thanks Bernie.

An argument that workers can be paid the same salary for less work is an argument against raising the minimum wage?  Some logic there.
Only if you misquote the facts. Which you did.

I was repeating your own post back to you.  If there is a misquotation of the facts here, its yours.
Lol. You added the words
An argument that workers can be paid the same salary for less work is an argument against raising the minimum wage?  Some logic there.

A worker earning $11 for 40 hours work makes $ 440. At $15 an hour he or she only works 29.3 hours to make the same wage. Who makes up the 10 hours of lost work?
Maybe the worker is better off mentally for having a smaller workload. But Bernie the Candidate
almost assuredly, is not.
Either he does less with less or pays more to only stay even in the workload.

I'm going to note a few things here.  But I'm going to start with this; the question I bolded is an excellent one!  And perfectly demonstrates why the reality is that (outside of a political campaign) in a phased in minimum wage raise worker hours aren't actually reduced.  The employer needs them! 

I'm also going to note that you didn't demonstrate that I misquoted you.  My "added words" actually perfectly encapsulated your argument, and you further elaborated on it by assigning it real numbers.  So there was in fact no misquoting of the facts (just want to be sure that is straight.)

Now, I very much doubt that the original intent of your post was to say that Bernie's argument against the raising of the minimum wage was that he would now be left with an unaccounted for work-load.  Your argument was to say that the workers are now left with an unintended negative byproduct of the higher hourly wage.

Intended consequence or not, the fact remains (again, not misquoted) that the same salary for less work is not an argument against.
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« Reply #17159 on: July 23, 2019, 05:34:22 PM »

It’s about what you spend it on

Trump gladly cuts tax rates. Gladly boosts vet dollars. And gladly agrees to fund the 9/11 first responders fund

$350 Billion in additional spending is going to more than vets and first responders.

Republicans always gladly spend taxpayer money, and are always glad to do so even if it means higher deficits, and will always gladly say they are against that spending when its a Democrat who is profiting politically from it.  This is the history, going back to Reagan.  Trump is no different.
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