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Voting closed: October 22, 2020, 02:04:36 PM

[bankshot1]

Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.

You don't do well when someone expresses an opinion that is not your own. This much is clear.

You have a problem with my participating in this forum?  I said the HOF discussion was not interesting to me.  What I have chimed in on is an obviously biased (I said misinformed, but if you now claim to see the play...) mischaracterization which I have now corrected.

Feel free to add your brand of fanboyism to the forum.

But please for those of us who post here somewhat regularly, wipe up after you're done expressing yourself.



 

[NeedsAdjustments]

By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders.  Did it not?

Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.

Like I said, misinformed.

A jump ball?  And you claim to watch football?  Wow.

Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.

heh

I do watch football moron

So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.

Good suggestion.  Just did.  I had said earlier that Tyree was open.  Hard to see, but the announcer on the clip I watched described him that way.  Harrison also facing the receiver, not watching the ball, which suggests he was beat.

So no.  Not a jump ball.

Wrong again.

It was a broken play.

Do you think the play was designed that way?

For Eli to scramble for about 10 seconds and almost getting crushed by 3 Pats rushing him?

If not for O'Hara's chokehold, Eli gets squashed.

It was a fucking fire drill with receivers trying to get open.

Eli chucked a wounded duck jump ball.

You really are a clueless fanboy.

Receivers get open on broken plays.  QBs regularly get credit for finding them after scrambling to elude defenders.  Only someone with an agenda would describe such a connection as a “jump ball” only because the original play was broken.

And only an asshole would describe someone as a “clueless fanboy” after they make a fact-based argument only because they don’t agree with the conclusion.

[bankshot1]

WHEEEEEEE

Eli threw a wounded duck jump ball off a broken play that Tyree outjumped Harrison for.

And only a clueless fanboy moron would give their opinion that is wholly an opinion and insist it was fact-based.

You really are a moron.

and there should be a box of kleenex around here for you to wipe up your fanboy expressions,

Hammy used it quite regularly.

[kiidcarter8]

Eli threw a wounded duck jump ball off a broken play that Tyree outjumped Harrison for.


Nah, man - much better pass than that

The escape was of course the key

You just didnt get the turnovers/stops you needed.  Tough vs an in his prime HOF QB.  I even credit Eli for some of the sacks he took.  Took care of the ball.  Turned the page.

[kiidcarter8]

Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that

Hoodie?  Not one of his best.

what does this have to do with the Eli HoF debate?

Nothing

And there is no debate

Just some asshole yelling, "The world is flat!!!!"

[bankshot1]

Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that

Hoodie?  Not one of his best.

what does this have to do with the Eli HoF debate?

Nothing

And there is no debate

Just some asshole yelling, "The world is flat!!!!"

Perhaps you should stop yelling.

And there will be some discussion in about 5-6 years, covering the issue I raised but you, excuse my wording, have chosen to duck.

But thanks again for proving my point, that  to support Eli's HoF credentials you must ignore 99% of his body of work.

[kiidcarter8]

Perhaps you should stop yelling.


heh

[Kam]

Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?

No credit for Eli's mobility to even get that pass off?

[Kam]

 
The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.

2 Super Bowl MVPs against the supposed GOAT.


Forgive the focus.  But that's like not focusing on Pam Anderson's chest.

[bankshot1]

 
The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.

2 Super Bowl MVPs against the supposed GOAT.


Forgive the focus.  But that's like not focusing on Pam Anderson's chest.

The narrow focus was my point, so thanks for once more, proving it.   

To reiterate, one has to ignore 99% of Eli's  pedestrian body of work assembled over 15 years, to promote his HoF candidacy.

And it may work, he might get in.

We'll find out in 5-6 years

[josh]

I don't think that's fair, Banks.

He only played in 246 games. And he did well in 8 of his 12 playoff games, so that would be ignoring 96.75% of his games, not 99%.

Sure, he lost 4 of the 6 first round games he played in, but so what?!

He's 27th in comebacks and 37th in 4th quarter drives.

And 6th all time in fumbles! 3 of the guys ahead of him are in the Hall of Fame, after all.

Sure he's thrown 50 more interceptions than Big Ben and 70 more than TB12, but Drew Brees is only a few behind him - and will stay that way for a while.

And the folks his career is like include Big Ben, Warren Moon*, Terry Bradshaw*, John Hadl, Bob Griese*, Drew Bledsoe, Donovan McNabb, Joe Montana*, Carson Palmer, and Jim Kelly*.

A bunch of them are in the Hall already. So, maybe he does belong, despite his overall mediocre numbers. Or maybe he's like Hadl, Bledsoe, McNabb, and Palmer.

Would you put any of them in the Hall?! How about Big Ben?

[Kam]

An accomplishment thought impossible!

Besting the best coach of all time.... not once, but twice.

as the MVP.

[Kam]

https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/9/24/20881889/ny-giants-daniel-jones-film-study-how-well-did-he-handle-pressure-on-sunday


Jones was pressured on 47 percent of his drop backs Sunday - third highest among all Week 3 quarterbacks - and he completed 80 percent of his passes on those pressured attempts for 233 yards, two touchdowns and a perfect 158.3 passer rating. Building off of that, Scott Barrett from Pro Football Focus indicated that those numbers were the fourth-most pressured passing yards by any quarterback in any regular season game in PFF’s history, a timeframe that spans 2007 through 2019. During that decade-plus, there are 1,674 instances of a QB attempting at least 12 pressured pass attempts in a game, and here is the list of quarterbacks who finished with a perfect passer rating:

Daniel Jones.

That’s it. He’s the list.

[bankshot1]

Josh

I think Bennie R is a 1st year HoF lock.

Hadl is interesting. He was one of the best QBs-gunslingers in the old pre-merger AFL,

I liked him as a QB.  I would lean to vote him in.

I think if one takes a look at the stats which I sensed you may have, there is a huge # inflation which the post-2000 QBs have benefitted from. I'm ballparking that on passing yards its in the 12-20% range.

[bankshot1]

An accomplishment thought impossible!

Besting the best coach of all time.... not once, but twice.

as the MVP.

Tuck and the Giants D was the real MVP of SB42.

As to impossible accomplishments, in 2011, the Giants beat the Pats in Foxboro during the regular season. (24-20)

I had the G-Men as the real favorite (3 points) in SB46.

Pats had the 31th ranked defense that year.

The Giants were a terrible match-up for them.

I think what we are finding is impossible is for G-Men fans to focus on and discuss Opies performance in his 232 regular season games which account for almost all his career.