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« Reply #15795 on: December 27, 2020, 02:45:39 AM »

Dave McMenamin: The Lakers injury report lists Anthony Davis as questionable for Sunday’s game against Minnesota because of a right calf contusion. – via Twitter mcten
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15796 on: December 27, 2020, 03:25:05 AM »

Randle is our best player.  That's part of the problem, and why were expected to be one of the worst teams again.  Teams with Randle as the best player have a high water mark of 35 W's.

You want to build around Randle and RJB and Mitch?
Get a lot of shooters.
Get a scoring PG.

Drafting ObiT?
What does that say?
We used our #8 pick for a backup PF?
Randle or Topdog are gonna play C?  SF?

Best thing is for Randle to play his ass off and then we MaMo him to a contender for a yute or pick.

Draft Ty H and Quicks and keep Randle?
I'd be on board.  (or Avdija).
Ship has sunk sailed.


These days, the league is all about 3's and switching multi-position defenders.
Knix have 4 starters who are poor 3-point shooters.
A pair of C's and a pair of PF's who play one position.
Though Mitch can guard outside.

None of it makes much sense.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15797 on: December 27, 2020, 06:52:04 AM »

Randle starts the game on fire: a 3, a Lebron power drive, a Bernard baseline fadeaway, then a Melo iso wing step back.  Also chumpy D, including meekly switching on to Scurry 2.0 who vaguely hinted at using a screen leaving Elf to handle Simmons down low.  Finished with more turnovers than assists and a team worst -20.  Er ...

Knix transition D has been ugly early this year.  Looked like Thibs called timeouts twice after Knix got back on D poorly and gave up easy buckets.  Knix sure lose track of guys in transition.

RJB had a mirror image of his opening night rampage.  Guy keeps grinding away.
Burks did a lot of good stuff.  Including a pair of nice PnR's with Julius.
5 turnovers but I only recall one or two.
Burks 4-6 on 3's.  Rest of Knix 4-23.  Starters 3-15.

A 34 point Knick 2nd half.
Elf & Jr. Smith = 1-11 FG, and mostly good looks.
Knox with 3 assists and 3 o-boards.  One aggressive sequence.
I think we had Burks playing PG for small stretches.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15798 on: December 27, 2020, 09:52:57 AM »

Randle is finding his way in a new role. I think Thibs can coach him and that we might want him to stick around.


Best player on the team, which was his role last year

And yes, a STUD NBA talent.

May be looking at an extension rather than a "lets not pay his option year".
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15799 on: December 27, 2020, 10:12:13 AM »

And yes, if Toppin pops as expected I think they can exist together

Will Knicks look at deals?  Of course.  But not giving Julius away as cheaply as we did Marcus.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15800 on: December 27, 2020, 12:20:11 PM »

Basketball can be very simple or very complex, it's what you make of it.  Some people put too much emphasis on coaching, game planning, and match-ups, but the fact of the matter is you have to have shooters.  Over the last few years we haven't had pure shooters.  Long gone are the days of Starks, Houston, Ward, Johnson, and Ewing to name a few, or even go back to the good old days of Frasier, Monroe, Bradly,  Debusschereand, and  Reed...they were all shooters

Bottom line is you have to have shooters and we don't have any...hopefully Quickley will be one.  But watching other teams play I ask myself why don't we have any. Most all of our are considered steak shooters.  That's a cop out way of saying we don't have any. 

Best coaching an strategy in the world will not overcome poor or inconsistent shooters
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15801 on: December 27, 2020, 12:25:13 PM »

Shooting certainly  isn't taught as well these days.  But also back then players weren't shooting over trees either.
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« Reply #15802 on: December 27, 2020, 12:40:57 PM »

Jerrya, please what’s a steak shooter?
Not trying to be funny, I just don’t know what that is.
Thanks.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15803 on: December 27, 2020, 12:49:21 PM »

Not sure Jerry checks in, so I will answer

Of course it was a typo

"Streak shooter" used to be a more widely used term.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15804 on: December 27, 2020, 01:01:13 PM »

Frank's -4.1 PER moves to.....




-8.6

ELFRID now at -4.2
Dennis a +1.8
Quickley moves to 18.6 while not playing - not sure how,

BURKS is our best PG
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15805 on: December 27, 2020, 01:19:24 PM »

Which has lasted longer:
a. Knicks search for a legit pg
b. war in Afghanistan
c. war on drugs

you get the point (pun intended). 

Yes Quickly will help when he is back on the court, but the Knicks need two PGs (who needs two, who needs two...).  Payton is not a starting PG -period.  DSJ is not an NBA backup.  Franc is not a PG. I give Burks  credit for pitching in,  but c'mon.   

It  is not a secret how badly the knicks need a  real starting PG.  So am I wondering what Rose's - and his huge braintrust - plan is, their vision?   

This situation sort of reminds me of Gettlemen's tenure with the Jints.  When he came on all he talked about was improving the O line - which everyone knew was essential.  And it took him three years to finally get to it.  Him and his hog mollies...idiot...

Rose had cap space and picks and should have addressed the PG issue at the top, not toppin. A solution - well understanding that most top tier FAs are simply not coming to NY,  maybe be creative.   Bo's suggestion that drafting both Halliburton and Quickly and then unloading either DSJ or Franc,  for Chip's proverbial bag of beans, is, if nothing else, creative, naively optimistic, and outside the box. 

Going with Payton, DSJ, and bringing in Quickly - who can play with or off the play,  is not thinking but merely going through the motions - it took no effort or deep thinking to do that.
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Re: Question
« Reply #15806 on: December 27, 2020, 01:23:43 PM »

Jerrya, please what’s a steak shooter?
Not trying to be funny, I just don’t know what that is.
Thanks.

Hot one night and can't hit rim on another...ie. Barrett, Knox. When you go 8 or 9 in a row one night and go 0 for 9 on another you call it a steak shooter/ inconsistent shooter but to be honest you can just call it not a good shooter.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15807 on: December 27, 2020, 02:02:45 PM »

Nobody ever said Barrett was a shooter

Nobody HERE ever said trade out of that 3 slot
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15808 on: December 27, 2020, 02:08:41 PM »

Re. PG slot

Seems it will come down to whether or not Knicks were better off selecting theirs in '20 or '21 draft

(Or we could grab Harden and who cares?)
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15809 on: December 27, 2020, 02:11:36 PM »

As in...

"If we had just drafted Haliburton (or name your pg) then now we could take (name your favorite non PG 2021 draftee).

I assume you would all say Haliburton, not Maledon or Flynn or Lewis or Pritchard or Jones
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