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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16755 on: February 01, 2021, 04:33:39 AM »

Quickley is great as a high usage guy in the 2nd unit.  The trick is being able to blend his game with the starters and still remain blazing hot with limited shots.
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« Reply #16756 on: February 01, 2021, 04:57:01 AM »

I think you want as many guys who are a threat if open and are a threat off the catch. It helps if they can cover ground and body up effectively. I don’t think shot distribution will be a problem as everyone is trying to make appropriate plays up and down the roster. What we are likely to get is more single coverage for our main guns and less opponent zone.
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They call our coach Mr. Thibs
« Reply #16758 on: February 01, 2021, 08:23:25 AM »

Defense is our primary identity.
On D = Elf > Quicks + Bollocks > Burks
Randle & RJB are effective on D within Mr. Thibs' scheme.  Elf and Bullox help make it work.

And then you end up starting 4 guys who want the ball and need shots.
With Quickly & Burks both erratic scorers.
Reg and Elf are more consistent on both ends.
And then Quix would have to guard starting PG's.
And who scores on the 2nd unit of Elf-Rivers-Knox-Noel?

The RJB-Bullox pairing has worked well handling weak side defense.
The IQ-Rivers pairing has been vibrant.
Depending on the effectiveness of Reg and Elf in any given game, there are plenty of minutes for IQ, Burks and Rivers.

I don't see the benefit.
Imo, you downgrade both the starting 5 and the bench unit.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16759 on: February 01, 2021, 09:33:45 AM »

I agree

By the way - no Knox, no Noel (Thibs used Taj) yesterday - not sure you saw that.

Knox played just 6 minutes each of the prior two games as well -

Yesterday was the first time in recent memory I recall seeing exact position splits of the 48

Payton-Quickley  21/27
Barrett-Rivers    31/17
Bullock-Burks     26/22
Randle-Toppin    35/13
Robinson-Gibson   30/18

By the way - sure was cool when we were talking about what to do with the Randle-Toppin minutes crunch.  Doesn't seem an issue now.  Achiuwa in a trade down a sad distant memory.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #16760 on: February 01, 2021, 09:36:40 AM »

NOEL - sore left groin yesterday

4th quarter hurt MY groin.
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Re: They call our coach Mr. Thibs
« Reply #16761 on: February 01, 2021, 10:00:22 AM »


Reg and Elf are more consistent on both ends.
And then Quix would have to guard starting PG's.


Lmao..you are confusing consistency with consistent AWFULNESS
and well-overstating Elf's defensive...er...prowess.

** Clyde was talking about it last night...Elf is so m'fn lucky there are no fans at MSG..would be a howling maelstrom, NY fans know hoops and ELF ain't anything resembling it.


*SPEAKING OF WHICH....where is the promised nightly POINT GUARD PER from rancid orange butternut licker????? Clue for his overdue reveal: Elf just about sank into single digits, down with DJ
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« Reply #16762 on: February 01, 2021, 10:41:00 AM »

Defense is our primary identity.
On D = Elf > Quicks + Bollocks > Burks
Randle & RJB are effective on D within Mr. Thibs' scheme.  Elf and Bullox help make it work.

And then you end up starting 4 guys who want the ball and need shots.
With Quickly & Burks both erratic scorers.
Reg and Elf are more consistent on both ends.
And then Quix would have to guard starting PG's.
And who scores on the 2nd unit of Elf-Rivers-Knox-Noel?

The RJB-Bullox pairing has worked well handling weak side defense.
The IQ-Rivers pairing has been vibrant.
Depending on the effectiveness of Reg and Elf in any given game, there are plenty of minutes for IQ, Burks and Rivers.

I don't see the benefit.
Imo, you downgrade both the starting 5 and the bench unit.

It must be those Jewish Lasers from outer space, but I find myself agreeing with BoD. 

And THEY CALL HIM MISTER THIBS.

When IQ comes off the bench with the second unit, HE IS TO A GREATER DEGREE THE FOCUS OF THE OFFENSE. 

And in case some Knicks fans haven't noticed, THIBS Has Been Setting Up HIGH IQ To Succeed. 

I understand that on a more advanced contender, Elfrid would be valued as a backup PG.

I understand that many Knicks fans cannot fathom THIBS' trust in abiding with Elfrid. 

Defense. Stability. Experience.

Mike Miller and Thibs both turned to Elfrid in lieu of Dennis and Frank, in terms of a certain level of stability and consistency. 

In case no one has noticed, with the first unit, Elfrid fits well with both RJ and Julius, and it is interesting that the ball is often in THEIR HANDS, in terms of setting up the offense. 

For instance....

Last year, Elfrid 7.2 assists per game.  This season he is averaging 3.8 assists.   

Last year, Julius averaged 3.1 assists per game.  This season he is averaging [AVERAGING] 6.0 assists. 

Last year, RJ averaged 2.6 assists per game.  This season he is averaging 4.4 assists. 

So last season, between the three of them, 12.9 assists per game.  This season 13.2 assists. 

And among the improved stats both Julius and RJ have posted in terms of FG and FT%, I believe it is notable that Elfrid's FT% has risen from .570 last season to .711 this season [32-45], while such a stud muffin as Lonzo Ball, in similar minutes, is converting at a .583 clips [7-12].  Likewise, Elfrid's has converted 100-236 FG attempts, while Ball is 72-180.  And just to revisist assists, EP is averaging 3.8 assists, while Lonzo is averaging 4.8 assists. 

And yet there are Knicks fans as bloggers who would happily pony up a huge package of players and draft picks to trade for Lonzo. 

This is neither a pom pom gurl orgasm on behalf of Elfrid, nor a snarky dismissal of Lonzo. 

Just an attempt to put their games and what they bring to the floor in perspective [also worth ointing out as per assists per game, that much of the Pelicans offense runs through Brandon Ingram, averaging 4,7 assists] 

No, Elfrid Payton is not giving us what we would have gotten from a Chris Paul, but then, CP rejected the Knicks as an option regarding relocating his family to NYC and playing in an empty MSG. 

But Elfrid is surely giving us no less than such esteemed Easter Conference PGs as Kemba Walker and Jeff Teague. 

Let alone a muc revered talent such as Lonzo Ball. 

As per Quickley's growth curve this season, it would be interesting to track Immanuel's progress/stat lines [12.4, 2.2, 2.5, .938%] with those of LaMelo Ball [12.2, 5.9. 6.1, .755 FT%], who is clearly a better player than his brother, and a more gifted natural facilitator tha Immanuel. 

Anyway, I am rambling....what else is new. 

My point. 

Elfrid Payton is a more than adequate placeholder for Immanuel as he makes his first pass through the league.  And clearly, Thibs is putting his faith in IQ at crunch time, and it was surely gratifying to have no less an adversary than Paul Geroge speak so highly of IQ in terms of being FEARLESS.  So I mean, hey Knicks fans....

Patience
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Re: They call our coach Mr. Thibs
« Reply #16763 on: February 01, 2021, 10:46:41 AM »


Reg and Elf are more consistent on both ends.
And then Quix would have to guard starting PG's.


Lmao..you are confusing consistency with consistent AWFULNESS
and well-overstating Elf's defensive...er...prowess.

** Clyde was talking about it last night...Elf is so m'fn lucky there are no fans at MSG..would be a howling maelstrom, NY fans know hoops and ELF ain't anything resembling it.


*SPEAKING OF WHICH....where is the promised nightly POINT GUARD PER from rancid orange butternut licker????? Clue for his overdue reveal: Elf just about sank into single digits, down with DJ

BULLSHIT.  Passionate, funny bullshit, but bullshit nevertheless.

As per your COMPELLING ASSERTION that Knicks fans are unerring in their discernment of chicken salad and chicken shit, and that their boo birds are touched by God?

More BULLSHIT. 

I have a vivid and rather unpleasant memory of Bill Cartwright returning from a broken foot, and straightaway breaking it again, sitting on the bench, tears streaming across his face, as the boobirds contempt and disdained rained down upon him.  An enduring disgrace. 

So, while I rather fancy Dawg as a blogger, methinks I will stick with Tom Thibodeau as the coach. 
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« Reply #16764 on: February 01, 2021, 10:53:26 AM »


In case no one has noticed, with the first unit, Elfrid fits well with both RJ and Julius, and it is interesting that the ball is often in THEIR HANDS, in terms of setting up the offense.

Patience

We've noticed that Elf's role has effectively been reduced to doing almost nothing and bricking the occasional three pointer. That's good. Cuts down on turnovers, lol. Now imagine when that nothing is replaced by somebody who can, say, shoot a little bit...

open up the floor and let the sun shine in

Anyway, I wish him nothing but the best on his slow train to Istanbul and pray for his sake that the new Covid variant keeps MSG empty of fans through May.
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« Reply #16765 on: February 01, 2021, 10:54:42 AM »

Was watching the HBO documentary on the 1950 NIT & NCAA City College Of New York championship team, and working class admixture of Jewish and African-American talent, and the subsequent 1951 point shavinvg scandal which tainted CCNY, as well as LIU and the entire New York City Collegiate hoops juggernaut, which would never be quite the same. 

Anyway, it was interesting to observe some of the enduring traits of hoops we are again experiencing under Coach Thibs, and Assosciate Coaches Payne, Brayant and Woodson, in the Red Holzman trad of DEFENSE, Spacing, Player Motion/Moving Without The Ball  and CONSTANT/.CONSISTENT Ball Motion. 

One other thing struck me, and a light bulb went off, as regarding our throwback puppy from Kentucky. 

Is it just me, or does IQ's long range three ball suggest the old school two handed set shots of yore?   
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« Reply #16766 on: February 01, 2021, 10:56:49 AM »


In case no one has noticed, with the first unit, Elfrid fits well with both RJ and Julius, and it is interesting that the ball is often in THEIR HANDS, in terms of setting up the offense.

Patience

We've noticed that Elf's role has effectively been reduced to doing almost nothing and bricking the occasional three pointer. That's good. Cuts down on turnovers, lol. Now imagine when that nothing is replaced by somebody who can, say, shoot a little bit...

open up the floor and let the sun shine in

Anyway, I wish him nothing but the best on his slow train to Istanbul and pray for his sake that the new Covid variant keeps MSG empty of fans through May.

You are nothing if not reasoned and gracious. 

Meanwhile, funny that Thibs is so stubbornly resisting your call to harms, as he nurtures IQ, gets his feet wet, and posits EP Vs. IQ in practice.  Funny how well that has been working out, eh, Uncle Weatherbee. 
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« Reply #16767 on: February 01, 2021, 11:01:36 AM »



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« Reply #16768 on: February 01, 2021, 11:11:14 AM »


BULLSHIT.  Passionate, funny bullshit, but bullshit nevertheless.

As per your COMPELLING ASSERTION that Knicks fans are unerring in their discernment of chicken salad and chicken shit, and that their boo birds are touched by God?

More BULLSHIT. 

I have a vivid and rather unpleasant memory of Bill Cartwright returning from a broken foot, and straightaway breaking it again, sitting on the bench, tears streaming across his face, as the boobirds contempt and disdained rained down upon him.  An enduring disgrace. 

So, while I rather fancy Dawg as a blogger, methinks I will stick with Tom Thibodeau as the coach.

Alright, alright, they don't ALWAYS GET IT RIGHT

but when they do..lol

I remember I took a good friend to her first Knick (and NBA) game ever.

Time comes for National Anthem. Some famous awful singer, I think it might have been Michael Bolton, mangled it...the howl was TREMENDOUS.

She was like...wow...tough crowd.


*** where's my gotdamn Point Guard PER, it's almost noon!
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« Reply #16769 on: February 01, 2021, 12:33:17 PM »

I thought Noah's absence was HUGE yesterday.

He plays hard. Extremely active. Taj really can't fill those shoes.
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