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Who will win Game 5 of the NBA Finals?

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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM


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kidcarter8

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #21480 on: December 01, 2021, 11:59:53 AM »

Haliburton might be the guy to deal.
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« Reply #21481 on: December 01, 2021, 01:15:29 PM »

Great game to watch last night. Really wanted that one.

Not saying he had a bad game, but many of Robinson's weaknesses were on display. If Taj was healthy, I'm pretty sure Thibs has him in there at the end.
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« Reply #21482 on: December 01, 2021, 02:14:47 PM »


TyH 2-10 FG, 3 turnovers and 6 points in 32 mins. 
But a team best -1 in Sacto's horrific 25 point loss to LAL.
So the Kings got drubbed when TyH was out.
Fox, Hield, Metu all -21, Dav Mitch -17.
TyH did have some nice counting stats, 6 boards, 5 assists & 2 steals.

The +/- underscores TyH's contributions and defense.  When I watch, even in off games, Halliburton just remains poised and slows things down and steadies the team on both ends.  Plays like he's participating in a team sport.  Glue guy if you like that term.
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« Reply #21483 on: December 01, 2021, 03:17:41 PM »

Exactly

Much more valuable to a winning team.

Kings could deal him for a player that could help boost their win total, which TH doesnt seem to do.
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« Reply #21484 on: December 01, 2021, 04:45:03 PM »

Trade the one player you should keep.
Always a winning strategy.
But yes, the Kings can, and did, lose without him.


Was a terrific NY, NY game.
The ballhandling by Burks and Fournier was often sloppy and the Knix wound up with a lo of iso's and shots late in the clock.  Randle took a lot of tough shots (made a few long 2's with Durant in his face).  Things looked much better with IQ and Rose in there.  Rose not big/strong enough to guard Harden.  Really could have used RJB. 
Toppings is first man down court every time.  Gets a few easy baskets every game by sprinting.  Knix transition D is still highly porous.
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« Reply #21485 on: December 01, 2021, 06:12:15 PM »

Great game to watch last night. Really wanted that one.


I love how Brooklyn is still a home crowd.   There were Nets fans chanting MVP for KD late in the game at the FT line yes, but, and HOWEVER.... the Knicks, specifically OBI got the loudest cheers of the night.  The Nets could boost attendance just by trading KD for Obi and IQ ; )
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #21486 on: December 01, 2021, 11:01:30 PM »

Trade the one player you should keep.


Kings are keeping Haliburton to what end?
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« Reply #21487 on: December 01, 2021, 11:14:11 PM »

Kings-Clippers NBA TV - lets see if they can keep a lead tonight, unlike vs Lakers

Davion Mitchell 13 early points

Metu with 10, Ty with 7, Fox 5.  Kings 15-30, 7-17, 5-6 but are a horrible halftime adjust team
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« Reply #21488 on: December 01, 2021, 11:17:43 PM »

What would you offer for Ty H is you are Leon Rose?  Give me a fair deal.
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« Reply #21489 on: December 02, 2021, 12:49:05 AM »

Kings, baby.

Davion a pretty good 9th pick.  Even with their 3 other guards.
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« Reply #21490 on: December 02, 2021, 05:48:43 AM »

Davion is a relentless defender.  He seems to be a Pa Bev type player.  Maybe can improve the shooting to become a Marcus Smart.


The best Haliburton trade for the Knix would be Fournier for TyH, but the money doesn't work at all.  We'd get a ballhandler, decision-maker, defender upgrade at combo G.  They'd get the better outside shooter.   TyH & Bags for Fournier + could work.

I'd offer Quix for TyH.  But Quix is somewhat duplicative of Fox, but with a 3-ball.
And they have 2 PG's already (ie they say No)

ObiT for TyH is a fair deal.  Which they could do since they are down on Bagley.  Not that they should trade a defender/ballhandler and add another iffy defender (ObiT has been improving on D).  Knix would be thin at PF, unless Sims can man the backup PF.  Kings could toss in Bags and we give them say Noel.

Obit & Noel for TyH & Bags
Money seems to work.  Looks like Bags will be a FA next year.  We'd drop Nawlins $9M, maybe resign Bags at $5M(?).  They have Tristan and Len, but no shot blocker.  Maybe Noel's gimpiness is a turnoff, but good to have a shotblocker next to Holmes for part of his nightly run.  ObiT would get more minutes, either starting or backing up Holmes/Barnes.


Issues: Knix have a lot of G's already.  TyH plays a similar role as Rose.
It doesn't solve our lack of starting PG, unless we make it Rose.  TyH is a combo G, not a full-time starting PG. 

For the Knix, it makes more sense moving Fournier for TyH. (TyH & Bags for Fournier +).  Kings probably would prefer ObiT.  But then they'd have Fox - Hield - Obit - Holmes as turnstyles.   Knox and Kemba are available on our side if that helps anything.
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« Reply #21491 on: December 02, 2021, 09:12:09 AM »

Fair take.

I was thinking more along the lines of getting a pseudo star player in to Sacramento by packaging Ty H with soomebody

Recall times Kings were good they had guys like

WEbber
Richmond
Peja

Ty not near in that ability range, though just 21.

Re:  Davion

His final season at Baylor saw a real uptick in percentage shooting - so maybe that bodes well

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchda01.html#all_all_college_stats

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« Reply #21492 on: December 02, 2021, 10:14:42 AM »

 The NBA released its last 2-minutes report from the Nets game, and yes, the Knicks did indeed get jobbed. While the league ruled that the foul call on Mitch at the end of the game was correct, they also admitted that they missed a 3-second violation on LaMarcus Aldridge immediately before that, and that a swipe by James Harden on Julius Randle (highlighted below) was also unfair contact.

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« Reply #21493 on: December 02, 2021, 11:39:04 AM »

Thanks, Kam

I guess the Harden travel wasnt a travel.
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« Reply #21494 on: December 02, 2021, 11:42:51 AM »

The missed three seconds call was on an earlier possession, right - not on the trip where Mitch fouled (Johnson, was it)?

Thanks.  Good show by our guys.

Meanwhile, three teams jumped us.  Boston, Cleveland and Atlanta.  All now 12-10 to our 11-10.  Sitting TENTH, a tick ahead of Philly

https://www.nba.com/standings
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