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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3225 on: December 30, 2018, 05:20:31 AM »

It would be Hardaway, Lee, and a second rounder for Porter.

The Beal for Manny, Tim, and a protected first gets Washington very close to the cap next year even once they add a lottery salary if they let Mudiay walk. Hardaway is only a tier or two down from Beal for a good bit less cheddar.

Wall is untradable. Porter is nearly so. I don’t think they will have many options, but we’ll see.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3226 on: December 30, 2018, 05:58:50 AM »

It would be Hardaway, Lee, and a second rounder for Porter.

But wouldn't they prefer a genuine two-way SF (OP) over a streaky SG (TIM) who would fill in at SF, for the same money.  The only benefit is they could try to move Courtly's ending deal next year.  And a 2nd round yawn.

What if they wanted Tim and Franc and a 2nd rounder for Porter? (just talking general parameters, not worrying about who else to make the numbers work).  Do Knix want a $25M Porter?

How about if Ernie countered your Mudiay, Hardaway, a top 6 protected pick/protected top 3 the following year for Beal. By adding Mahinmi and Kanter into the mix.  The money works**. 

That would get them out of Mahinimi's bad deal* and save them real money as Kant expires.  Knix would clog up their cap, but get an all-star level young SG.
Franc - Beal - Knox - Vonleh - KZ
Burke - Trier - Dot - Kornet - Mitch
and maybe a Top 5 rook pick or the pick traded to WIZ

* Mahinmi is just one more year at $16M.  2 or 3x his value, but not  long.

** you blithely say "the money works" but you have WAS giving up the best player in the deal AND adding an extra $4M in salary, which amounts to $10M or so given their tax status.  While WIZ want to avoid the tax entirely in a losing/lost season.  So they'd need to throw in Dwight ($5M) to make the numbers actually work for them.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3227 on: December 30, 2018, 09:17:21 AM »

 :'(j

As a team it does seem like we are regressing.

Well earlier in the season THJr was carrying the offense and doing an OK-ish job keeping us close enough in games to feel good about the losses.

Now with a slumping/innjured THjr we are without our A1 Rocker.

Keep the hope alive.   If we had KP we could withstand such a slump.

I think it will come out later on that Fiz was totally behind a tank.

We can't even run an out of bounds play with the game on the line.

Will be interesting to see if this changes when he gets his reinforcements.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3228 on: December 30, 2018, 01:19:51 PM »

Do Knix want a $25M Porter?

No. He's a nice player, but not at that price, not on this roster.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3229 on: December 30, 2018, 01:20:31 PM »

In the NBA I think it is ok to be outhustled down 30 late

Stay healthy at that point.

What is your overall impression of Jackson?  Did we miss on him or get lucky?

Given the contract, we're super lucky we don't have Reggie Jackson on our roster.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3230 on: December 30, 2018, 01:30:55 PM »


I think it will come out later on that Fiz was totally behind a tank.

We can't even run an out of bounds play with the game on the line.


He's doing an absolutely stellar job. Too bad achieving absolute putridity is no longer so strongly rewarded as it was in year's past.


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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3231 on: December 30, 2018, 01:34:02 PM »

 I don't know......5/80 deals aren't such a big deal any more

And all players don't have to earn every cent statistically

It is how they fit together ...
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« Reply #3232 on: December 30, 2018, 02:12:01 PM »

Best coach we've had in ages.
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« Reply #3233 on: December 30, 2018, 02:18:41 PM »

I think RegJax has been a disappointment.
Not an impact player, disappears for stretches (in games and in the schedule), has trouble staying healthy.  His salary isn't really bad anymore, but he doesn't really lead or deliver.  I thought he could advance his game.  I think he's mostly stagnated.  Seems kind of mopey too.
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« Reply #3234 on: December 30, 2018, 02:34:49 PM »

This guy has some New Yorkers fooled... thinking he's such a great guy.

I admit he has a likeable quality at times... kind of like Borat in that you root for him to succeed despite obvious .... limitations.

But he is NOT a good teammate, posting facepalm emojis and complaining to the media while also giving them quotes about how he is trying to help the young players get better...

His disingenuity is just too much.

It was gratifying and instructive to hear the Utah fans boo Enes.  They went through this with him once already.  He hasn't learned...
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« Reply #3235 on: December 30, 2018, 03:49:36 PM »

This guy has some New Yorkers fooled... thinking he's such a great guy.

I admit he has a likeable quality at times... kind of like Borat in that you root for him to succeed despite obvious .... limitations.

But he is NOT a good teammate, posting facepalm emojis and complaining to the media while also giving them quotes about how he is trying to help the young players get better...

His disingenuity is just too much.

It was gratifying and instructive to hear the Utah fans boo Enes.  They went through this with him once already.  He hasn't learned...

Which proves that Utah fans are smarter than Newyorkers ..., according to the Kam(s)ter, that is.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3236 on: December 30, 2018, 04:22:23 PM »

Tough to tell but if we had Jackson we might not have been drafting in the slot where we took Frank.

If we were maybe we take Monk.  Or Z Collins - or Adebayo.
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« Reply #3237 on: December 30, 2018, 06:18:33 PM »

This guy has some New Yorkers fooled... thinking he's such a great guy.

I admit he has a likeable quality at times... kind of like Borat in that you root for him to succeed despite obvious .... limitations.

But he is NOT a good teammate, posting facepalm emojis and complaining to the media while also giving them quotes about how he is trying to help the young players get better...

His disingenuity is just too much.

It was gratifying and instructive to hear the Utah fans boo Enes.  They went through this with him once already.  He hasn't learned...

Which proves that Utah fans are smarter than Newyorkers ..., according to the Kam(s)ter, that is.

Rather, it exposes the me-first guy he is.

He has admitted he was playing this year for All-Star honors.

That don't sit well with me.
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« Reply #3238 on: December 30, 2018, 09:08:37 PM »


I think it will come out later on that Fiz was totally behind a tank.

We can't even run an out of bounds play with the game on the line.


He's doing an absolutely stellar job. Too bad achieving absolute putridity is no longer so strongly rewarded as it was in year's past.


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Les, I knew you missed this situation, after all you like to have phun.



But our Kam(s)ter didn't see it that way. And now he just don't like Kanter's looks, that has to be it.

While I agree with you that Fiz is doing a great tanking job, nobody could be a worse coach than Fish. Well, maybe Woodson or JVG.
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« Reply #3239 on: December 31, 2018, 12:22:28 AM »

If Kanter could learn the bench big role, which requires subsuming his ego to focus more on getting guys open and cleaning up junk, he could have a decent long term career at a lower number.

If we let him go and he signs somewhere at the minimum, we get the minimum back. If he’s willing to leave 2 or 3 mil on the table to be free, so much the better.

It gives us a crack at a GLeague or scrap heap big who might be more conducive to the kind of game we want to run.

If Mitch gets healthy, Kornet & Mitch can hold it down till KP returns, or till the end of the season. The spot then could go to someone to back up Vonleh.
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