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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[josh]

That is the idea behind the vaccine passports - an idea hardly without issues, but ostensibly the answer to your question.

There are folks out there printing bogus vaccine cards as it is, Kid. (Oddly enough, reported about previously here.)


Sure

But talk isnt about passports - needing to carry - if not travelling by plane - is it?

In every day life - if you are not vaccinated, you cannot be certain, now that CDC has opened up to non-masking - that those not wearing one have had the shot(s).

Is this, while perfectly cool if it is not - a sort of political maneuver to get more to have the vaccine?   The clear message with the chart that is being circulated - all green as in GO on the one (vaccintaed) - and all cloudy, fuzzy with colors on the other - is  that GETTING VACCINATED = FREEDOM.

In a country where most will be vaccinated and the counts will be so low, is this fair to those who really do feel they have good reason to not vaccinate?

What would you propose either states or the federal government do about it?

[josh]

Schools by fall are next - what is to become of an unvaccinated public school student?

What would you propose either states or the federal government do about it?

[kidcarter8]

By fall - even sooner - it should be live and let live

[kidcarter8]

"Isn’t it incredible that because of the vaccines, which I and my Administration came up with years ahead of schedule (despite the fact that everybody, including [Anthony] Fauci, said would never happen), that we no longer need masks," Trump said in a statement. "Yet our names are not even mentioned in what everybody is calling the modern day miracle of the vaccines?"



This guy's funny

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/trump-vaccines-operation-warp-speed-masks/2021/05/14/id/1021392/?oRef=vuukle

[kidcarter8]

And as long as we were visiting Newsmax - THIS - if you are interested

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/liz-cheney-elise-stefanik-gop-republicans/2021/05/14/id/1021385/?oRef=vuukle

[barton]

And as long as we were visiting Newsmax - THIS - if you are interested

What you mean "we," Kemo Sabe?

[Oilcanard]

The Disinformation Dozen, who prey on the fears of those who don't know who to believe....

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes

[Oilcanard]

Is this, while perfectly cool if it is not - a sort of political maneuver to get more to have the vaccine?   The clear message with the chart that is being circulated - all green as in GO on the one (vaccintaed) - and all cloudy, fuzzy with colors on the other - is  that GETTING VACCINATED = FREEDOM.

In a country where most will be vaccinated and the counts will be so low, is this fair to those who really do feel they have good reason to not vaccinate?

[/quote]

"Most" as in 70%, being vaccinated doesn't create herd immunity, which doesn't happen until you reach something like 85-90% of a population immunized.  If, say, 30% refuse vax for whatever reason, we will have a chronic recurring spread of covid and its variants, and "freedom" will involve a lot of misery.  Call me crazy, but seems like not having to worry about any further covid would be a really delightful form of freedom.  Let's all put politics aside and come together to rid ourselves of this virus by getting vaxxed. 

[facilitatorn]

Following advice of Kid’s never president, vaccine refusers should be forced to drink bleach and then shove a UV lightbulb up their assholes.

This should be a weekly procedure until they agree to take the vaccine.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Is this, while perfectly cool if it is not - a sort of political maneuver to get more to have the vaccine?   The clear message with the chart that is being circulated - all green as in GO on the one (vaccintaed) - and all cloudy, fuzzy with colors on the other - is  that GETTING VACCINATED = FREEDOM.

In a country where most will be vaccinated and the counts will be so low, is this fair to those who really do feel they have good reason to not vaccinate?

"Most" as in 70%, being vaccinated doesn't create herd immunity, which doesn't happen until you reach something like 85-90% of a population immunized.  If, say, 30% refuse vax for whatever reason, we will have a chronic recurring spread of covid and its variants, and "freedom" will involve a lot of misery.  Call me crazy, but seems like not having to worry about any further covid would be a really delightful form of freedom.  Let's all put politics aside and come together to rid ourselves of this virus by getting vaxxed.

How many people had Covid and developed natural antibodies.?
Why do they need a vaccination?
They are big contributors to herd immunity, no?

[FlyingVProd]

Israel and the USA are different.

Israel is only for the Jews, while the USA is for everyone. 

In the USA everyone is equal, and we are all welcome. The USA is for everyone.

Israel is the home of the Jews.

We cannot force Israel to be like the USA, and we cannot force the USA to be like Israel on the issue of immigration, and human rights, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

[kidcarter8]

And as long as we were visiting Newsmax - THIS - if you are interested

What you mean "we," Kemo Sabe?

Take it or leave it - doesn't surprise me

Some like to get other viewpoints.  Not you I guess

[Oilcanard]

Is this, while perfectly cool if it is not - a sort of political maneuver to get more to have the vaccine?   The clear message with the chart that is being circulated - all green as in GO on the one (vaccintaed) - and all cloudy, fuzzy with colors on the other - is  that GETTING VACCINATED = FREEDOM.

In a country where most will be vaccinated and the counts will be so low, is this fair to those who really do feel they have good reason to not vaccinate?

"Most" as in 70%, being vaccinated doesn't create herd immunity, which doesn't happen until you reach something like 85-90% of a population immunized.  If, say, 30% refuse vax for whatever reason, we will have a chronic recurring spread of covid and its variants, and "freedom" will involve a lot of misery.  Call me crazy, but seems like not having to worry about any further covid would be a really delightful form of freedom.  Let's all put politics aside and come together to rid ourselves of this virus by getting vaxxed.

How many people had Covid and developed natural antibodies.?

Not enough to create herd immunity.   And many didn't create enough antibodies, and had longterm covid,  or are prone to reinfection by a variant after some months.  That's  why they need a vaccine which really enhances antibody production.

We get flu shots and other immunizations  for similar reasons.   Keeps you from getting really sick,  and boosts antibodies, and decisively ends the outbreak of a widespread strain.   
   

[Oilcanard]

And as long as we were visiting Newsmax - THIS - if you are interested

What you mean "we," Kemo Sabe?

Take it or leave it - doesn't surprise me

Some like to get other viewpoints.  Not you I guess

Maybe he prefers accurately reported news,  as in facts,  to biased "viewpoints." 

For me,  it's tendency to repeat unsupported conspiracy theories and factcheck failures are sufficient reason to choose better sources where journalistic integrity matters.

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence. Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source.

We rate Newsmax Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience as well as numerous failed fact checks.   

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsmax/

[facilitatorn]

And as long as we were visiting Newsmax - THIS - if you are interested

What you mean "we," Kemo Sabe?

Take it or leave it - doesn't surprise me

Some like to get other viewpoints.  Not you I guess

I’m sure you used to write Charlie Manson for soup recipes, religious doctrines, and the like all the time. Other viewpoints and whatnot, after all.