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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[facilitatorn]

http://www.vox.com/2020/6/18/21294825/history-of-juneteenth

Ain’t no party like a Juneteenth party cause a Juneteenth party don’t stop.

[josh]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.
Nelson Mandela can never be equated to Osama Bin Laden.

Never? Someone did. Why do you think they put him in prison?

Huh? He was originally acquitted for his part avenging mass murder of blacks and only after years of revenge tactics by a white supremacist Government was he put in prison for life.
He was a freedom fighter. But never a terrorist.

He was thrown into jail by the South African government for conspiracy to overthrow the government through the SACP and another group the South African government regarded as being dedicated to the violent overthrow of the government.  The South African government viewed Mandela as a terrorist and rebel, even as the ever-enlightened Red did not.  Which is the point of the "one man's terrorist...." cliche I cited.  Another example, I guess, was  Menachem Begin.

Critical thinking escapes you.
But it is enlightening to know that if a black man fights back against white supremacism ( while avoiding attacking innocent civilians) it’s your definition of terrorism.
If Nelson Mandela is to labeled a terrorist by you there are a ton of historians who beg to differ.

Have you always been illiterate, Red?

Both Mandela and Begin won Nobel Peace Prizes.
Can you name a terrorist who has?

Arafat.

Better do a better look unto history than a quick google search.

Ward says, "I have no refutation for your comment. Or Josh's."

[Yankguy1]

Red is quickly moving from an object of scorn to an object of pity.

[josh]

Red is quickly moving from an object of scorn to an object of pity.

Moving?

That happened years ago for me.

[LarryBnDC]

House GOP ‘Back the Blue’ when they’re beating the shit out of BLM protestors but fuck the Capitol Police that battled to defend their sorry asses on 1/6!


https://www.mediaite.com/news/kinzinger-swalwell-call-out-disrespectful-gop-congressman-say-he-refused-to-shake-hands-with-officer-attacked-on-1-6/

[REDSTATEWARD]

Red is quickly moving from an object of scorn to an object of pity.

LOL!
Begin, Mandela, and Arafat as terrorists.
Why not throw in,
say, Nathan Hale as well.?

[Oilcanary]

You're overthinking it, Che.

When someone attacks you while stating that their primary purpose is to destroy you and your way of life, do you not have an obligation and a right to defend yourself?

I mean, if you think it's all about the perpetrators, begin at the beginning, Che.

No terrorism, no counterattack.

You view terrorism as the beginning? Interesting place to start.

Do, a deer,  a female deer....

What's missing from several posters here is a grasp of what terrorism comes from.   Groups of people that lack the military power to wage war tend to respond to stronger oppressors with terror attacks.   I haven't read up the thread yet,  but I feel someone is going to point out that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.   

Julie Andrews has much to teach us..

Timothy McVeigh teach you that?

Precisely the kind of shallow insult posting you claim to find deplorable when others do it.   

[LarryBnDC]

Red is quickly moving from an object of scorn to an object of pity.

LOL!
Begin, Mandela, and Arafat as terrorists.
Why not throw in,
say, Nathan Hale as well.?

Or Sam Adams

[Hairy Lime]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.
Nelson Mandela can never be equated to Osama Bin Laden.

Never? Someone did. Why do you think they put him in prison?

Huh? He was originally acquitted for his part avenging mass murder of blacks and only after years of revenge tactics by a white supremacist Government was he put in prison for life.
He was a freedom fighter. But never a terrorist.

He was thrown into jail by the South African government for conspiracy to overthrow the government through the SACP and another group the South African government regarded as being dedicated to the violent overthrow of the government.  The South African government viewed Mandela as a terrorist and rebel, even as the ever-enlightened Red did not.  Which is the point of the "one man's terrorist...." cliche I cited.  Another example, I guess, was  Menachem Begin.

Critical thinking escapes you.
But it is enlightening to know that if a black man fights back against white supremacism ( while avoiding attacking innocent civilians) it’s your definition of terrorism.
If Nelson Mandela is to labeled a terrorist by you there are a ton of historians who beg to differ.

Have you always been illiterate, Red?

Both Mandela and Begin won Nobel Peace Prizes.
Can you name a terrorist who has?

Arafat.

Better do a better look unto history than a quick google search.

Better not ask a question that's essentially a kick me hard sign pinned to your own ass.

[REDSTATEWARD]

You probably don't have to go back that far to play "the one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" song.

freedom fighter:
: a person who takes part in a resistance movement against an oppressive political or social establishment
terrorist
person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


The terms are not interchangeable.
Nelson Mandela can never be equated to Osama Bin Laden.

Never? Someone did. Why do you think they put him in prison?

Huh? He was originally acquitted for his part avenging mass murder of blacks and only after years of revenge tactics by a white supremacist Government was he put in prison for life.
He was a freedom fighter. But never a terrorist.

He was thrown into jail by the South African government for conspiracy to overthrow the government through the SACP and another group the South African government regarded as being dedicated to the violent overthrow of the government.  The South African government viewed Mandela as a terrorist and rebel, even as the ever-enlightened Red did not.  Which is the point of the "one man's terrorist...." cliche I cited.  Another example, I guess, was  Menachem Begin.

Critical thinking escapes you.
But it is enlightening to know that if a black man fights back against white supremacism ( while avoiding attacking innocent civilians) it’s your definition of terrorism.
If Nelson Mandela is to labeled a terrorist by you there are a ton of historians who beg to differ.

Have you always been illiterate, Red?

Both Mandela and Begin won Nobel Peace Prizes.
Can you name a terrorist who has?

Arafat.

Better do a better look unto history than a quick google search.

Better not ask a question that's essentially a kick me hard sign pinned to your own ass.

World History not your bag, we get it.

[josh]

Red is quickly moving from an object of scorn to an object of pity.

LOL!
Begin, Mandela, and Arafat as terrorists.
Why not throw in,
say, Nathan Hale as well.?

Begin was a terrorist, Ward, whether you like it or not.

Bombing a hotel is not exactly the action of a peacenik.

Nathan Hale predated the Nobel Peace Prize.

Harkening back to Israel and Begin, "terrorist (n.) in the modern sense, 1944, especially in reference to Jewish tactics against the British in Palestine..." from etymonline (dot) com.

As for Nathan Hale, perhaps instead the French Revolution would be acceptable to you, as that was when the term was first applied. It's also been applied to the Maquis in WWII.

You really struggle with facts that don't fit your worldview. That must be very hard for you.

Begin was a terrorist. Arafat was a terrorist. They both won the Nobel Peace Price.

[facilitatorn]

Red is quickly moving from an object of scorn to an object of pity.

LOL!
Begin, Mandela, and Arafat as terrorists.
Why not throw in,
say, Nathan Hale as well.?

Mitch McConnell, the United States’ most loathsome living terrorist is rightly getting the bulk of our anti-terror attention right now.

Please check back once he’s deposed. 

[facilitatorn]

http://www.salon.com/2021/06/16/america-dominant-again-in-arms-sales_partner/

[bankshot1]

Red is quickly moving from an object of scorn to an object of pity.

LOL!
Begin, Mandela, and Arafat as terrorists.
Why not throw in,
say, Nathan Hale as well.?

Or Sam Adams

He killed many an innocent civilan's taste buds with some of his seasonal fruit-flavored beers

Terrorist and freedom fighter

[Oilcanary]

Some Republican lawmakers opposed the effort. Rep. Matt Rosendale, R-Mont.,  said creating the federal holiday was an effort to celebrate “identity politics.”

“Since I believe in treating everyone equally, regardless of race, and that we should be focused on what unites us rather than our differences, I will vote no,” he said in a press release.

The vast majority of states recognize Juneteenth as a holiday or have an official observance of the day, and most states hold celebrations. Juneteenth is a paid holiday for state employees in Texas, New York, Virginia and Washington....

 

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-race-and-ethnicity-juneteenth-lifestyle-holidays-3cc3b7a56ec97b0bae3dbdff1da092ee

Celebrating emancipation is divisive,  opines the Montana congressman.  I would hazard a guess that polling on "slavery was bad" would hit the mid-90s.  Also rather amusing that anyone would equate emancipation with "identity politics."   The congressman might be rather disturbed to read our Constitution and find amendments and landmark interpretations crafted to advance the liberties of particular segments of the citizenry.