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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14580 on: August 21, 2021, 08:29:09 PM »

To those who are almost gleeful in pointing out the Biden admin's imperfect exit strategy....

It's pretty easy to be an armchair military tactician and not have to personally risk making any one of dozens of suboptimal choices.   And even the optimal one will likely involve people getting hurt.  Because Afghanistan has long been a chaotic and violent and divided place, there's no way out that can be totally bloodless.   Did anyone really think dealing with the Taliban was not inherently dangerous and volatile? 

Now,  someone please totally misread the above paragraph,  then tell me I'm "condemning" them when I express the possibility they misread.   If I go on to express any further disagreement, then please pull out all the stops and get really defensive and angry,  call me names,  call me a liar,  and then bask in the glow of moral rectitude as you fist bump with anyone else who validates you and agrees that I don't care about American lives.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14582 on: August 21, 2021, 08:49:58 PM »

"In seven short months, Joe Biden has caused America to lose the respect of the entire world. The evidence is clear and his actions are so egregious that he must be impeached"




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-impeach-biden-afghanistan-crisis

Pretty damned funny coming from her.

And even funnier coming from you.

You hated and ignored all the polls and comments about Trump's so-called leadership in the eyes of the rest of the world. More is still thought of Joe Biden on his worst day in most of the world than was thought of Trump on his best, except for 2 or maybe 3 countries.

Rest assured, Kid, our opinion of you is right there with that of Trump.
Trump and Biden thought alike on Afghanistan.Both wanted to pull out.
GOP leaders told Trump if he did it would be a disaster.  He listened.
Which explains why he signed the agreement with the Taliban and steadily withdrew troops to meet the May withdraw date of the treaty to the point where there were only 2500 advisors left by the time he left office. Do the right wing web sites you slavishly regurgitate ever think about telling the truth, or do they just assume you are too gullible to fact check?
YOU should do research, not change the subject.
LOL. You cannot even grasp the gist of your own arguments.  Probably because they are not your own.
You dance and evade.
Biden couldn’t wait until, as President, he reversed Trump and rejoined the Paris Accords and the WHO,etc.
Yet he followed through on Trump’s desire to leave Afghanistan even though Trump stopped short when GOPers warned him of a disaster.
Did Biden “ go it alone” or are the democrats united in foreign policy ignorance?
Trump never "stopped short". He continued the withdrawal of troops, through the end of his presidency, with an eye to meeting the May 2021 goal of withdrawal.  There were only 2500 advisors left by January 15. Biden continued a policy set in motion and pursued unceasingly.  And it was the right policy when Trump pursued it, and it is the right policy now.
The right or wrong of the policy is immaterial and irrelevant. 4 in five Americans polled in 2020 thought we should get out.
Trump thought it was a winning re-election stance and still didn’t abandon it when he lost the election.
What he didn’t get was his own Administration was against it, as well as the GOP leadership.
Politically, GOP heavy hitters like McConnell saw a huge scandal brewing that would hand the new Biden Admnistration a big boost out of its starting gate.

So the question you refuse to address remains.
Why did Biden move against the better judgement of the same officials who were against the Trump schedule?
And where were the senior leaders in the democrat party who had to know better.
At a time when the dems balance of power is so fragile why gamble on a roll of the dice which could derail everything?
Your switch from "he listened" to the voices in his party to Trump continuing with the policy despite those voices is noted.
LOL!
When did Trump pull the plug on Afghanistan?
February 2020.
A negotiated withdrawal is not synonymous with a pullout.
As Joe Biden has now learned much to the dismay of the democrat party.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14583 on: August 21, 2021, 09:21:16 PM »

Andrew Cuomo’s retirement benefits will become active on Sept. 1, a spokesperson for the New York comptroller’s office said on Wednesday, Rochester First reported.


Yeah...nobody cares

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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14584 on: August 21, 2021, 09:24:51 PM »

To those who have a hard time accepting the reality of a poorly executed exit strategy, where there appeared to be no strategy other than, "lets get the fuck out of here" and can not accept that sometimes a democrat makes poor choices, I'd suggest they take their head out their ass and stop being so fucking defensive. 

There's nothing gleeful in admitting to a mistake that cost lives, perhaps the faith of allies, some of our global prestige, and likely will carry a political cost.

Biden ran a fucking shit show in his hasty exit from Afghanistan and there is collateral damage.

But to deny that reality is to live in a fantasy world.

To see the Biden apologists here is a unfortunate.

He fucked up.

And its ok to call him out.

I'm pretty sure Larry will forgive you.   

Eventually.

There were no good choices, but probably some were better than others.

And no one here is in a good position to really assess, but I'd think some hard negotiations and a show of force. and maybe some of Bart's honey could have bought the required time to exit that shit hole with some additional lives, some dignity and covered with a whole lot less Afghan shit.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14585 on: August 21, 2021, 09:29:00 PM »

"In seven short months, Joe Biden has caused America to lose the respect of the entire world. The evidence is clear and his actions are so egregious that he must be impeached"




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-impeach-biden-afghanistan-crisis

Pretty damned funny coming from her.

And even funnier coming from you.

You hated and ignored all the polls and comments about Trump's so-called leadership in the eyes of the rest of the world. More is still thought of Joe Biden on his worst day in most of the world than was thought of Trump on his best, except for 2 or maybe 3 countries.

Rest assured, Kid, our opinion of you is right there with that of Trump.
Trump and Biden thought alike on Afghanistan.Both wanted to pull out.
GOP leaders told Trump if he did it would be a disaster.  He listened.
Which explains why he signed the agreement with the Taliban and steadily withdrew troops to meet the May withdraw date of the treaty to the point where there were only 2500 advisors left by the time he left office. Do the right wing web sites you slavishly regurgitate ever think about telling the truth, or do they just assume you are too gullible to fact check?
YOU should do research, not change the subject.
LOL. You cannot even grasp the gist of your own arguments.  Probably because they are not your own.
You dance and evade.
Biden couldn’t wait until, as President, he reversed Trump and rejoined the Paris Accords and the WHO,etc.
Yet he followed through on Trump’s desire to leave Afghanistan even though Trump stopped short when GOPers warned him of a disaster.
Did Biden “ go it alone” or are the democrats united in foreign policy ignorance?
Trump never "stopped short". He continued the withdrawal of troops, through the end of his presidency, with an eye to meeting the May 2021 goal of withdrawal.  There were only 2500 advisors left by January 15. Biden continued a policy set in motion and pursued unceasingly.  And it was the right policy when Trump pursued it, and it is the right policy now.
The right or wrong of the policy is immaterial and irrelevant. 4 in five Americans polled in 2020 thought we should get out.
Trump thought it was a winning re-election stance and still didn’t abandon it when he lost the election.
What he didn’t get was his own Administration was against it, as well as the GOP leadership.
Politically, GOP heavy hitters like McConnell saw a huge scandal brewing that would hand the new Biden Admnistration a big boost out of its starting gate.

So the question you refuse to address remains.
Why did Biden move against the better judgement of the same officials who were against the Trump schedule?
And where were the senior leaders in the democrat party who had to know better.
At a time when the dems balance of power is so fragile why gamble on a roll of the dice which could derail everything?
Your switch from "he listened" to the voices in his party to Trump continuing with the policy despite those voices is noted.
LOL!
When did Trump pull the plug on Afghanistan?
February 2020.
A negotiated withdrawal is not synonymous with a pullout.
As Joe Biden has now learned much to the dismay of the democrat party.
LOL. Biden was following the negotiated withdrawal. As did Trump.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14586 on: August 21, 2021, 09:40:39 PM »

"In seven short months, Joe Biden has caused America to lose the respect of the entire world. The evidence is clear and his actions are so egregious that he must be impeached"




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-impeach-biden-afghanistan-crisis

Pretty damned funny coming from her.

And even funnier coming from you.

You hated and ignored all the polls and comments about Trump's so-called leadership in the eyes of the rest of the world. More is still thought of Joe Biden on his worst day in most of the world than was thought of Trump on his best, except for 2 or maybe 3 countries.

Rest assured, Kid, our opinion of you is right there with that of Trump.
Trump and Biden thought alike on Afghanistan.Both wanted to pull out.
GOP leaders told Trump if he did it would be a disaster.  He listened.
Which explains why he signed the agreement with the Taliban and steadily withdrew troops to meet the May withdraw date of the treaty to the point where there were only 2500 advisors left by the time he left office. Do the right wing web sites you slavishly regurgitate ever think about telling the truth, or do they just assume you are too gullible to fact check?
YOU should do research, not change the subject.
LOL. You cannot even grasp the gist of your own arguments.  Probably because they are not your own.
You dance and evade.
Biden couldn’t wait until, as President, he reversed Trump and rejoined the Paris Accords and the WHO,etc.
Yet he followed through on Trump’s desire to leave Afghanistan even though Trump stopped short when GOPers warned him of a disaster.
Did Biden “ go it alone” or are the democrats united in foreign policy ignorance?
Trump never "stopped short". He continued the withdrawal of troops, through the end of his presidency, with an eye to meeting the May 2021 goal of withdrawal.  There were only 2500 advisors left by January 15. Biden continued a policy set in motion and pursued unceasingly.  And it was the right policy when Trump pursued it, and it is the right policy now.
The right or wrong of the policy is immaterial and irrelevant. 4 in five Americans polled in 2020 thought we should get out.
Trump thought it was a winning re-election stance and still didn’t abandon it when he lost the election.
What he didn’t get was his own Administration was against it, as well as the GOP leadership.
Politically, GOP heavy hitters like McConnell saw a huge scandal brewing that would hand the new Biden Admnistration a big boost out of its starting gate.

So the question you refuse to address remains.
Why did Biden move against the better judgement of the same officials who were against the Trump schedule?
And where were the senior leaders in the democrat party who had to know better.
At a time when the dems balance of power is so fragile why gamble on a roll of the dice which could derail everything?
Your switch from "he listened" to the voices in his party to Trump continuing with the policy despite those voices is noted.
LOL!
When did Trump pull the plug on Afghanistan?
February 2020.
A negotiated withdrawal is not synonymous with a pullout.
As Joe Biden has now learned much to the dismay of the democrat party.
LOL. Biden was following the negotiated withdrawal. As did Trump.
Not even close.
Not even his own Administration can endorse his actions.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14587 on: August 21, 2021, 10:08:18 PM »

"In seven short months, Joe Biden has caused America to lose the respect of the entire world. The evidence is clear and his actions are so egregious that he must be impeached"




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-impeach-biden-afghanistan-crisis

Pretty damned funny coming from her.

And even funnier coming from you.

You hated and ignored all the polls and comments about Trump's so-called leadership in the eyes of the rest of the world. More is still thought of Joe Biden on his worst day in most of the world than was thought of Trump on his best, except for 2 or maybe 3 countries.

Rest assured, Kid, our opinion of you is right there with that of Trump.
Trump and Biden thought alike on Afghanistan.Both wanted to pull out.
GOP leaders told Trump if he did it would be a disaster.  He listened.
Which explains why he signed the agreement with the Taliban and steadily withdrew troops to meet the May withdraw date of the treaty to the point where there were only 2500 advisors left by the time he left office. Do the right wing web sites you slavishly regurgitate ever think about telling the truth, or do they just assume you are too gullible to fact check?
YOU should do research, not change the subject.
LOL. You cannot even grasp the gist of your own arguments.  Probably because they are not your own.
You dance and evade.
Biden couldn’t wait until, as President, he reversed Trump and rejoined the Paris Accords and the WHO,etc.
Yet he followed through on Trump’s desire to leave Afghanistan even though Trump stopped short when GOPers warned him of a disaster.
Did Biden “ go it alone” or are the democrats united in foreign policy ignorance?
Trump never "stopped short". He continued the withdrawal of troops, through the end of his presidency, with an eye to meeting the May 2021 goal of withdrawal.  There were only 2500 advisors left by January 15. Biden continued a policy set in motion and pursued unceasingly.  And it was the right policy when Trump pursued it, and it is the right policy now.
The right or wrong of the policy is immaterial and irrelevant. 4 in five Americans polled in 2020 thought we should get out.
Trump thought it was a winning re-election stance and still didn’t abandon it when he lost the election.
What he didn’t get was his own Administration was against it, as well as the GOP leadership.
Politically, GOP heavy hitters like McConnell saw a huge scandal brewing that would hand the new Biden Admnistration a big boost out of its starting gate.

So the question you refuse to address remains.
Why did Biden move against the better judgement of the same officials who were against the Trump schedule?
And where were the senior leaders in the democrat party who had to know better.
At a time when the dems balance of power is so fragile why gamble on a roll of the dice which could derail everything?
Your switch from "he listened" to the voices in his party to Trump continuing with the policy despite those voices is noted.
LOL!
When did Trump pull the plug on Afghanistan?
February 2020.
A negotiated withdrawal is not synonymous with a pullout.
As Joe Biden has now learned much to the dismay of the democrat party.
LOL. Biden was following the negotiated withdrawal. As did Trump.
Not even close.
Not even his own Administration can endorse his actions.
LOL..
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14588 on: August 21, 2021, 10:12:39 PM »

"In seven short months, Joe Biden has caused America to lose the respect of the entire world. The evidence is clear and his actions are so egregious that he must be impeached"




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-impeach-biden-afghanistan-crisis

Pretty damned funny coming from her.

And even funnier coming from you.

You hated and ignored all the polls and comments about Trump's so-called leadership in the eyes of the rest of the world. More is still thought of Joe Biden on his worst day in most of the world than was thought of Trump on his best, except for 2 or maybe 3 countries.

Rest assured, Kid, our opinion of you is right there with that of Trump.
Trump and Biden thought alike on Afghanistan.Both wanted to pull out.
GOP leaders told Trump if he did it would be a disaster.  He listened.
Which explains why he signed the agreement with the Taliban and steadily withdrew troops to meet the May withdraw date of the treaty to the point where there were only 2500 advisors left by the time he left office. Do the right wing web sites you slavishly regurgitate ever think about telling the truth, or do they just assume you are too gullible to fact check?
YOU should do research, not change the subject.
LOL. You cannot even grasp the gist of your own arguments.  Probably because they are not your own.
You dance and evade.
Biden couldn’t wait until, as President, he reversed Trump and rejoined the Paris Accords and the WHO,etc.
Yet he followed through on Trump’s desire to leave Afghanistan even though Trump stopped short when GOPers warned him of a disaster.
Did Biden “ go it alone” or are the democrats united in foreign policy ignorance?
Trump never "stopped short". He continued the withdrawal of troops, through the end of his presidency, with an eye to meeting the May 2021 goal of withdrawal.  There were only 2500 advisors left by January 15. Biden continued a policy set in motion and pursued unceasingly.  And it was the right policy when Trump pursued it, and it is the right policy now.
The right or wrong of the policy is immaterial and irrelevant. 4 in five Americans polled in 2020 thought we should get out.
Trump thought it was a winning re-election stance and still didn’t abandon it when he lost the election.
What he didn’t get was his own Administration was against it, as well as the GOP leadership.
Politically, GOP heavy hitters like McConnell saw a huge scandal brewing that would hand the new Biden Admnistration a big boost out of its starting gate.

So the question you refuse to address remains.
Why did Biden move against the better judgement of the same officials who were against the Trump schedule?
And where were the senior leaders in the democrat party who had to know better.
At a time when the dems balance of power is so fragile why gamble on a roll of the dice which could derail everything?
Your switch from "he listened" to the voices in his party to Trump continuing with the policy despite those voices is noted.
LOL!
When did Trump pull the plug on Afghanistan?
February 2020.
A negotiated withdrawal is not synonymous with a pullout.
As Joe Biden has now learned much to the dismay of the democrat party.
LOL. Biden was following the negotiated withdrawal. As did Trump.
Not even close.
Not even his own Administration can endorse his actions.
LOL..
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14589 on: August 21, 2021, 10:33:08 PM »

The End

Make sure no one is walking underneath you when you dive off.

Also, you won’t be missed.

Via con Dios.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14592 on: August 21, 2021, 11:11:49 PM »

I’ve been banned on Twitter!


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A sign of weakness, not deserving of a badge of honor

But we noticed you, LB.  I guess that is something.


Noticed? Why does anyone post anything in this forum if not to be noticed huh, Bund bro?
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14593 on: August 21, 2021, 11:15:34 PM »

The Japanese in WW2 were some of the most barbaric butchers to ever walk on earth.
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Re: Biden Administration
« Reply #14594 on: August 21, 2021, 11:19:19 PM »

For anyone complaining about ‘botched’ evacuation of allies from Afghanistan.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-broke-law-visa-delays-afghans-iraqis-who-worked-n1057846

Good catch.

Good diggin by NBC but they - and many of you - shouldn't be so obsessed with the former prez.


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