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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Hairy Lime]

The 14th amendment is still in force.
Section three was modified as to the penalties for insurrection and done so by the framework set up by the legislature drafting the 14th amendment ( 2/3rd majorities in-house and Senate.)

The lower court in Colorado ( through a bench trial) found Trump May have committed an insurrection but did not remove him from the ballot citing the office of the presidency was not included inSection3.


The Colorado SupremeCourt overturned the lower Court 4-3.

Now we await SCOTUS.

Chances are strong it will simply punt it  back to the lower court for clarification on insurrection and the role of the President.

You have backtracked your way out of most of your errors, except the one about removing the Section 3 disability for most Civil War rebs somehow deleting Section 3 for future insurrectionists. That remains a.very stupid argument no Court will buy.

And I disagree with you. The SCOTUS is going to effectively decide the issue, to the point that any remand is technical only. I doubt the election will go forward with a patchwork of applications of Section 3 across the Country, or with a doubt about eligibility of a candidate for President.

[Espnthree]

The 14th amendment is still in force.
Section three was modified as to the penalties for insurrection and done so by the framework set up by the legislature drafting the 14th amendment ( 2/3rd majorities in-house and Senate.)

The lower court in Colorado ( through a bench trial) found Trump May have committed an insurrection but did not remove him from the ballot citing the office of the presidency was not included inSection3.


The Colorado SupremeCourt overturned the lower Court 4-3.

Now we await SCOTUS.

Chances are strong it will simply punt it  back to the lower court for clarification on insurrection and the role of the President.

You have backtracked your way out of most of your errors, except the one about removing the Section 3 disability for most Civil War rebs somehow deleting Section 3 for future insurrectionists. That remains a.very stupid argument no Court will buy.

And I disagree with you. The SCOTUS is going to effectively decide the issue, to the point that any remand is technical only. I doubt the election will go forward with a patchwork of applications of Section 3 across the Country, or with a doubt about eligibility of a candidate for President.

You can not get your facts straight.
The 14th Ammendment was not repealed.  Section Three was not deleted.
(It was amended) Over 50 insurrectionists were allowed to serve as Federal Government employees.
As for SCOTUS my opinion is that it will punt and avoid the question that the lower courts cannot agree on without further rulings.

[Yankguy1]

The 14th Amendment was not amended. Congress, consistent with the language of the Amendment removed the disability of former secessionists to serve in office. Constitutional scholars, or those pretending to be, would know the only way to amend an Amendment is through repeal or another Amendment.

But since you claim that you are not arguing I know you agree.

[Espnthree]

The 14th Amendment was not amended.

Who said it was?

[Yankguy1]

The 14th Amendment was not amended.

Who said it was?
Pi

You did. Read your own parenthetical.

[Espnthree]

The 14th Amendment was not amended.

Who said it was?
Pi

You did. Read your own parenthetical.

My post at 11:17

The 14th amendment is still in force.
Section three was modified as to the penalties for insurrection and done so by the framework set up by the legislature drafting the 14th amendment ( 2/3rd majorities in-house and Senate.)

The lower court in Colorado ( through a bench trial) found Trump May have committed an insurrection but did not remove him from the ballot citing the office of the presidency was not included inSection3.

The post 45 minutes later stated Section Three was not deleted ( It was amended)

[Yankguy1]

Right. And Section 3 was NOT amended.

[Espnthree]

Right. And Section 3 was NOT amended.

Of course it was.
By vote of two thirds in House and Senate( per Constitutional requirements and Presidential approval ) as called for in the 14th Amendment.

[Yankguy1]

So now you are saying the 14th Amendment was amended? Make up your mind.

[Yankguy1]

You say you are not arguing, then you argue. You ask who says it was amended. Then you say of course it was amended. You are exhausting, my friend. You have the politics of a 154 year old and the focus of a 4 year old.

[Hairy Lime]

The 14th amendment is still in force.
Section three was modified as to the penalties for insurrection and done so by the framework set up by the legislature drafting the 14th amendment ( 2/3rd majorities in-house and Senate.)

The lower court in Colorado ( through a bench trial) found Trump May have committed an insurrection but did not remove him from the ballot citing the office of the presidency was not included inSection3.


The Colorado SupremeCourt overturned the lower Court 4-3.

Now we await SCOTUS.

Chances are strong it will simply punt it  back to the lower court for clarification on insurrection and the role of the President.

You have backtracked your way out of most of your errors, except the one about removing the Section 3 disability for most Civil War rebs somehow deleting Section 3 for future insurrectionists. That remains a.very stupid argument no Court will buy.

And I disagree with you. The SCOTUS is going to effectively decide the issue, to the point that any remand is technical only. I doubt the election will go forward with a patchwork of applications of Section 3 across the Country, or with a doubt about eligibility of a candidate for President.

You can not get your facts straight.
The 14th Ammendment was not repealed.  Section Three was not deleted.
(It was amended)

You cannot get your facts straight. Section 3 was not repealed, modified,, amended,, however you want to call it. Congress cannot do it. It can only removes the disability. Which it did for certain Civil War rebels. It did not remove any disability that did not exist. It could not because it does not have that power.

Over 50 insurrectionists were allowed to serve as Federal Government employees.

Yes, those whose disability was removed by Congress could serve. But Section 3 still applies to everyone else. Including Trump.

[Espnthree]

You say you are not arguing, then you argue. You ask who says it was amended. Then you say of course it was amended. You are exhausting, my friend. You have the politics of a 154 year old and the focus of a 4 year old.

I have been totally consistent.
The 14 th was not ammended.
Section three was amended since the 14th ammendment allowed Section three to be amended by a vote of two thirds of the Legislature. Which is what a subsequent Congress did and called it the Amnesty Act of 1872.

[Yankguy1]

Your problem continues to be the use of the word amend, no matter, how you spell it to describe what Congress did.

[Espnthree]

You cannot get your facts straight. Section 3 was not repealed, modified,, amended,, however you want to call it. Congress cannot do it.

Congress did it with the blessing of the 14th Amendment.

[Espnthree]

Your problem continues to be the use of the word amend, no matter, how you spell it to describe what Congress did.

I do not have a problem.
You and Harry do.