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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bankshot1]

"I left the hearing yesterday with as much doubt as certainty," Flake said, but "what I do know is that our system of justice affords a presumption of innocence to the accused, absent corroborating evidence."

Again, this isn't a trial or legal proceeding.
And one reason there is no corroborating evidence is because the Senate refuses to have the FBI investigate or subpoena Mark Judge.

His SWORN testimony is that he has no knowledge of the incident in question.

Wrong again kid, prior to the hearings Judge never testified nor was he ever questioned.

The Repubs let him evade the process and the evaded their sworn duty to do the job they have been entrusted to do.

There was no concern for the truth.

Suppoena him.

Put him under oath.

Question him.

[barton]

The GOP seems hung up on this notion that,  because Judge made a statement, that's an "investigation."  I guess the Trump zombie brigade laps this shit up.   

Flake had spine-ectomy in the night.   No surprise but still disappointing.

Nope, not possible. To paraphrase Jane Curtin, the late Senator Flake was born without a spine.

He has never been more than a highly partisan conservative hack politician who dislikes Donald Trump while supporting all his policies.

I think I made the same joke about Graham yesterday. Trump is forcing me to cycle through my material,way to quickly.

Any chance I might have thought of Kavanagh as angry over being wrongly accused went away when he started talking about the 2016 3lection and the Clintons. That was not legitimate anger but a show orchestrated by the White  House. That and lying about terms like "alumni" and Devil's Triangle. Okay, you can be an ass in high school. Most of us were. But.fucking OWN IT. Don't lie about it and expect to be believed about big things.

To a casual observer outside the state, Flake sometimes comes across as slightly principled.  He's got a good patter, I guess.  All that talk about probity and civility being restored to government.  But last night, I think, removed the last of the seven veils.  Only a partisan hack could be impressed by Kavanaugh's performance.  And Kid still thinks a sworn statement is equivalent to an actual investigation.  The zombies are marching on.

[bodiddley]

People have different physiology and can have varying responses to alcohol.  but if Kavanaugh did binge drink as many high schoolers and college kids do, and was towards the heavy end of that, the chances that he never blacked are out pretty low.  I assume he's lying about that.  and there are some Yale classmates who have already come forward disbelieving Kav on that.

Again, I would have asked him about past illegal drug use.  If you're putting someone at the top of the Judiciary, it's relevant to ask what laws they've broken.  Personally, I don't like drug prohibition, and don't care what drugs he took or whether he lies about such use now.  However, middle America and the US senate probably does care.  LSD at age 19?  Would that be disqualifying?
That's the kind of thing I'd have an FBI investigation look into.

[bodiddley]

I find it interesting that kiid thinks Kav was likely a jerk and unpleasant at times in his school days, but is a good guy now.  I'm more of the opinion that people don't change much.  And if he was the kind of person you wouldn't want on the S CT. in his late teens/20's, then he probably doesn't have the character for it now either.

My main concern is that he is a partisan flunkey more than an impartial jurist, but that's probably about the norm by now.  But I'd rather have less political and partisan people on SCOTUS.

[REDSTATEWARD]

The GOP seems hung up on this notion that,  because Judge made a statement, that's an "investigation."  I guess the Trump zombie brigade laps this shit up.   

Flake had spine-ectomy in the night.   No surprise but still disappointing.

Nope, not possible. To paraphrase Jane Curtin, the late Senator Flake was born without a spine.

He has never been more than a highly partisan conservative hack politician who dislikes Donald Trump while supporting all his policies.

Flake is a conservative. Which is why you prefer to call him a hack.
Kavanaugh is at the top of nearly all the conservatives ’ lists  for SCOTUS.
Flake would be spineless if he used his distaste for Trump to deny Kavanaugh  a seat on the Court.
Kavanaugh, if confirmed, will be there long after Trump is gone. 

[Driver125]

Any chance I might have thought of Kavanagh as angry over being wrongly accused went away when he started talking about the 2016 3lection and the Clintons.

Flake (that pathetic sad-sac) said yesterday that this was all so very complex—so many different aspects to this…..No, there are not. In the absence of any other testimony, this is all very simple. One of these people is telling the truth and one of them is lying. It’s not as if Kav is arguing that he was there but didn’t do anything to Ford. It’s not as if he was arguing the details of this or that. He’s claiming that he wasn’t there at all, and she’s claiming that the face that was six inches from her face as he held his hand over her mouth was his. A clear choice…..you either believe her clear and concise description of the event or you believe the histrionic self defense that he presented, complete with angry shouting, pitiful crying and attempts to drag his own family into his self-made pity-party.
The second part of the day where the Republithugs jettisoned their imported woman prosecutor was not an attempt to find out anything from Kavenaugh. It was a naked display of how the Pugs were going jam his appointment through come hell or high water. Pure and simple.
These Republicans MUST be voted out of office. As many of them as possible. There can be no higher priority.
It also must be noted and remembered what a tremendous coward Jeff Flake has proven to be and that he should never be given any serious consideration for any elected office ever again.

[Hamilton Samuels]

"I left the hearing yesterday with as much doubt as certainty," Flake said, but "what I do know is that our system of justice affords a presumption of innocence to the accused, absent corroborating evidence."

Again, this isn't a trial or legal proceeding.
And one reason there is no corroborating evidence is because the Senate refuses to have the FBI investigate or subpoena Mark Judge.

His SWORN testimony is that he has no knowledge of the incident in question.

That is not an investigation.

[kiidcarter8]

Under penalty of law............

[Hamilton Samuels]

"I left the hearing yesterday with as much doubt as certainty," Flake said, but "what I do know is that our system of justice affords a presumption of innocence to the accused, absent corroborating evidence."

Again, this isn't a trial or legal proceeding.
And one reason there is no corroborating evidence is because the Senate refuses to have the FBI investigate or subpoena Mark Judge.

His SWORN testimony is that he has no knowledge of the incident in question.

Wrong again kid, prior to the hearings Judge never testified nor was he ever questioned.

The Repubs let him evade the process and the evaded their sworn duty to do the job they have been entrusted to do.

There was no concern for the truth.

Suppoena him.

Put him under oath.

Question him.

They didn't even follow their own rules they set up for the hearing. Once Mitchell was found, in their view, not getting the answers from Brettie Gavel that they wanted, they tossed HER aside, and then Lindseedy Graham cracked.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Under penalty of law............

It still is not an investigation.

[barton]

Still not an investigation.  Investigators get a guy in a room.  Sweat him a little.  Talk to his friends and acquaintances in that period of his life.  Talks to "PJ" and "Squi" and see if their accounts are consistent.  Ask questions about the book, check those details.  Etc.  Driver is right.  Vote out whoever is complicit in this sham inquiry. 

Anyone else been reminiscing with family or friends about alcohol experiences?  Hard liquour tended to make me throw up, and the sweetness of wine had a similar effect if consumed in quantity, so I was pretty much confined to beer.  And beer is like drinking bread (especially stout, which I favored) - I would get full before I got falling-down drunk.  I don't think I ever really was falling down drunk, except for a couple times when I was walking on ice and could have fallen down cold sober.  I did get double-vision once though.  It was surprising, because I didn't feel that drunk.  My hosts expressed no concern that I was driving home.  So I drove home, marveling at how all the traffic signals had doubled in number.   The 1965 Beetle had a sewing machine motor in it and weighed about 400 pounds, so I had the harebrained notion I couldn't do much damage.  And it was two a.m. and the streets were empty.  If it had been earlier, I probably would have called a taxi. 

A key thing about the alcohol experience is that things that should bother you about your state of impairment don't.  That's what I learned that night.   

[bodiddley]

Did Judge say he has no knowledge or no recollection?
Subtle difference.

“Sometimes I had too many beers,” he acknowledged. “I liked beer. I still like beer. But I never drank beer to the point of blacking out"

Didn't see the testimony, but interesting that in this quote he's talking strictly about BEER.  Doesn't say anything about Everclear or any other stronger spirits.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Did Judge say he has no knowledge or no recollection?
Subtle difference.

“Sometimes I had too many beers,” he acknowledged. “I liked beer. I still like beer. But I never drank beer to the point of blacking out"

Didn't see the testimony, but interesting that in this quote he's talking strictly about BEER.  Doesn't say anything about Everclear or any other stronger spirits.

He also maintained in his testimony (more than once) that it was legal for him drink in high school. Not in MD, it wasn't. In DC, yes, but not in MD. so, he lied. About drinking.

[NeedsAdjustments]

The GOP seems hung up on this notion that,  because Judge made a statement, that's an "investigation."  I guess the Trump zombie brigade laps this shit up.   

Flake had spine-ectomy in the night.   No surprise but still disappointing.

Nope, not possible. To paraphrase Jane Curtin, the late Senator Flake was born without a spine.

He has never been more than a highly partisan conservative hack politician who dislikes Donald Trump while supporting all his policies.

Flake is a conservative. Which is why you prefer to call him a hack.
Kavanaugh is at the top of nearly all the conservatives ’ lists  for SCOTUS.
Flake would be spineless if he used his distaste for Trump to deny Kavanaugh  a seat on the Court.
Kavanaugh, if confirmed, will be there long after Trump is gone.

Kavanaugh no longer has the ABA endorsement, pending an FBI investigation into the allegations.

The spineless ones are the ones giving in to the pressure to vote for Kavanaugh before he has been properly vetted ie. we can confirm that it is (at the very least) unlikely that he has committed sexual assault and lied about it.

[bodiddley]

Stout was filling.
During college there were a few times where I missed dinner, and would just go to the bar with Guinness on tap.  Used to say 3 stouts substituted for dinner.

Most American beer is so watery it does fill up anything but your bladder. if you were going to drink a lot, it was definitely bets to have a solid base of food in you. I learned that I could drink the most after eating a calzone.  It's like the thing would live in your stomach and drink the beer instead of you.