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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20910 on: September 26, 2019, 10:44:54 AM »

Veterans Affairs Secretary Evicts Members Of Congress From Offices In VA Hospitals

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/25/763996045/veterans-affairs-secretary-boots-members-of-congress-from-offices-in-va-hospital

Seems like a great way to improve services and prevent scandalous situations?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20911 on: September 26, 2019, 10:48:12 AM »

This whole Ukraine affair reveals so many examples of how pervasive corruption and abuse of power becomes one big soupy mess (some might call it a "swamp.")

One example:  AG Barr is mentioned, by name, in the whistleblower complaint.  Barr's DOJ was instrumental in having that complaint buried.  He sat on it for four weeks then decided it had no merit, when it obviously does.

And yet Barr won't recuse himself from this because Trump, in what was a flagrant abuse of power at the time, insulted and harangued and finally fired Jeff Sessions for recusing himself on a matter he had less of a connection to.

This shit is corrupt at its very foundation.  Drain the swamp my ass.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20912 on: September 26, 2019, 11:01:58 AM »

The whistleblower complaint also alleges that some Presidential Communications with foreign leaders and related records were improperly kept in an outside computer network to evade record-keeping protocol.

This is a reminder that Republicans thought it was disqualifying and Trumpists still chant "Lock Her Up" three years later because Hillary Clinton used a private email server.

Correction:  The politically inconvenient (and probably illegal) conversations were loaded into a NSC server, which is password protected at the highest levels, and would actually make it a crime to access that info.  Effectively making it impossible to conduct oversight of those conversations, when they were not in fact sensitive matters of national security.

That is abuse of power.

And the White House lawyers who loaded those conversations into that server are complicit in the cover-up.
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20913 on: September 26, 2019, 12:40:12 PM »

Huh.

So in May Russia state TV was reporting that Trump ordered US officials, including Pence,+ Giuliani not to attend Zelensky's inauguration.  There was no evidence that this was true at the time, but now we know, from the Whistleblower complaint, that it is.

So how did the Russian's know Trump issued that order, but we didn't?
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20914 on: September 26, 2019, 12:52:35 PM »

This whole Ukraine affair reveals so many examples of how pervasive corruption and abuse of power becomes one big soupy mess (some might call it a "swamp.")

One example:  AG Barr is mentioned, by name, in the whistleblower complaint.  Barr's DOJ was instrumental in having that complaint buried.  He sat on it for four weeks then decided it had no merit, when it obviously does.

And yet Barr won't recuse himself from this because Trump, in what was a flagrant abuse of power at the time, insulted and harangued and finally fired Jeff Sessions for recusing himself on a matter he had less of a connection to.

This shit is corrupt at its very foundation.  Drain the swamp my ass.

Barr's attempt to bury this is yet another example of how the separation of powers is deeply compromised.  The DOJ should be completely independent of the POTUS.  Even if it hurt a future good president's abilities, I would favor a dialing down of the Presidency - powers of appointment, executive orders, war powers, really, just about everything.  Principal power should be with those offices actually elected by the vote of the people, i.e. congressional seats, rather than the one elected by the Electoral College.  Maybe something more akin to the Westminster System, where the House majority leader would have a leadership role more like a PM.  But without the "prorogation" crap and some of the other Brit baggage.

Whatever my random musings are, I'm just trying to say that this shit ain't working and I don't pretend to have the answers, beyond that some changes are needed. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20915 on: September 26, 2019, 12:54:20 PM »

Huh.

So in May Russia state TV was reporting that Trump ordered US officials, including Pence,+ Giuliani not to attend Zelensky's inauguration.  There was no evidence that this was true at the time, but now we know, from the Whistleblower complaint, that it is.

So how did the Russian's know Trump issued that order, but we didn't?

Man, I've got to set some time aside and read the whole WB report.  Wow. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20916 on: September 26, 2019, 01:04:20 PM »

Important point to be made: this isn't just about Biden.


I know.  Joe is just collateral damage, sadly.

But could very well be that Dems in power, whoever they are behind closed doors and out of our view - saw the shitshow that was about to happen as Joe was to take Trump out to the shed.  A better chance to win with another candidate.  And Joe isnt going to be the other side of the ticket.  So who cares what happens with Joe and Hunter Biden?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20917 on: September 26, 2019, 01:11:49 PM »

This whole Ukraine affair reveals so many examples of how pervasive corruption and abuse of power becomes one big soupy mess (some might call it a "swamp.")

One example:  AG Barr is mentioned, by name, in the whistleblower complaint.  Barr's DOJ was instrumental in having that complaint buried.  He sat on it for four weeks then decided it had no merit, when it obviously does.

And yet Barr won't recuse himself from this because Trump, in what was a flagrant abuse of power at the time, insulted and harangued and finally fired Jeff Sessions for recusing himself on a matter he had less of a connection to.

This shit is corrupt at its very foundation.  Drain the swamp my ass.

Barr's attempt to bury this is yet another example of how the separation of powers is deeply compromised.  The DOJ should be completely independent of the POTUS.  Even if it hurt a future good president's abilities, I would favor a dialing down of the Presidency - powers of appointment, executive orders, war powers, really, just about everything.  Principal power should be with those offices actually elected by the vote of the people, i.e. congressional seats, rather than the one elected by the Electoral College.  Maybe something more akin to the Westminster System, where the House majority leader would have a leadership role more like a PM.  But without the "prorogation" crap and some of the other Brit baggage.

Whatever my random musings are, I'm just trying to say that this shit ain't working and I don't pretend to have the answers, beyond that some changes are needed.

Forefathers agreed - and thus made the Constitution amendable.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20918 on: September 26, 2019, 02:19:40 PM »

Important point to be made: this isn't just about Biden.


I know.  Joe is just collateral damage, sadly.

But could very well be that Dems in power, whoever they are behind closed doors and out of our view - saw the shitshow that was about to happen as Joe was to take Trump out to the shed.  A better chance to win with another candidate.  And Joe isnt going to be the other side of the ticket.  So who cares what happens with Joe and Hunter Biden?

LOL.  What the fuck are you talking about?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20919 on: September 26, 2019, 03:28:34 PM »

Important point to be made: this isn't just about Biden.


I know.  Joe is just collateral damage, sadly.

But could very well be that Dems in power, whoever they are behind closed doors and out of our view - saw the shitshow that was about to happen as Joe was to take Trump out to the shed.  A better chance to win with another candidate.  And Joe isnt going to be the other side of the ticket.  So who cares what happens with Joe and Hunter Biden?

LOL.  What the fuck are you talking about?
Well, for kid, the story is not.Trump asking a foreign country to investigate a political rival, or doing so while.dangling needed military aid over its head, or using State and Justice to further his personal agenda, or.hiding embarrassing transcripts in the national security, some of which Trump has admitted to. There are unfounded accusations about Joe Biden!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20920 on: September 26, 2019, 08:01:37 PM »

Important point to be made: this isn't just about Biden.


I know.  Joe is just collateral damage, sadly.

But could very well be that Dems in power, whoever they are behind closed doors and out of our view - saw the shitshow that was about to happen as Joe was to take Trump out to the shed.  A better chance to win with another candidate.  And Joe isnt going to be the other side of the ticket.  So who cares what happens with Joe and Hunter Biden?


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20921 on: September 26, 2019, 08:26:14 PM »

WIP:  Greta makes a Global Splash....

Greta-ilk's jumping up and down, crying, shaking, attacking etc won't make an iota of difference to anything.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20922 on: September 26, 2019, 09:30:59 PM »

Sydney decriminalizes abortion

Discuss.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20923 on: September 26, 2019, 09:40:42 PM »

Sydney decriminalizes abortion

Discuss.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #20924 on: September 26, 2019, 09:45:06 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/ukraine-call-whistleblower-complaint-donald-trump/index.html

It's not the crime, it's the cover up.

Boy, does that sound familiar.

This makes it clear that the White House knew the phone call had problems; that there was a transcript (versus that crap that Trump tried to feed us); and that they would do whatever they could to stop it - but it has blown up in their faces.
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