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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[facilitatorn]

They can, through his lawyer, in writing. They can get their answers the same way.

Republicans should really stop defending trump now. Once he’s removed there is still hope the party might recover in a few cycles. The further his exposure goes, the worse it will be for everyone in the splash zone.

Instead it looks like republicans will stand by their monster till they crumble under pressure. A sad end to and initially noble party that had good moments until as recently as 60 years ago.

[NeedsAdjustments]

If you think there is a valid reason for exposing the whistleblower, post it.


Heh

Layup.

Republican House members should be able to question this man.

Layup?  lol.  Why should Republican House members be able to question this man?  This is what I am asking.  Repeating the question as an affirmative isn't a response.

And of course, the whistleblower has offered to respond to written questions, so you also need to answer why it needs to be done in person.

Gym Jordan said he wants to question him because he has the ability to suss out bias by looking in the eyes of his witness.  Which goes exactly to what I said.  Any perceived bias is meaningless when the assertions have been confirmed.

[kiidcarter8]

That's a reason?

Yes

[Yankguy1]

That's no reason. It's a political forum equivalent of a parent's "because I said so."

[bankshot1]

If you think there is a valid reason for exposing the whistleblower, post it.


Heh

Layup.

Republican House members should be able to question this man.

I suppose The Rs could ask questions which the whistleblower could anwser in writing and in so doing remain anonymous.

But I suspect the whistleblower has greater value to the Repubs as a meaningless distraction to the real issue of Trump's dangerous and illegal actions colluding with foreign powers to subvert our elections.

You do understand, that whistleblowers privacy is kind of important if we want whistleblowers to come forward with important information on all sorts of matters of national interest. If WB are jeopardized and careers theatened, or worse, that would sort of lessen the possibility that the whistle woud get blown.

[barton]

  You do understand, that whistleblowers privacy is kind of important if we want whistleblowers to come forward with important...   

Conservatives love to feign obtuseness.   You can't lose a debate if you pretend you didn't hear the facts and logic in the rebuttal.   The troll is an intellectual ostrich.

[josh]

If you think there is a valid reason for exposing the whistleblower, post it.


Heh

Layup.

Republican House members should be able to question this man.

Why?

[bankshot1]

  You do understand, that whistleblowers privacy is kind of important if we want whistleblowers to come forward with important...   

Conservatives love to feign obtuseness.   You can't lose a debate if you pretend you didn't hear the facts and logic in the rebuttal.   The troll is an intellectual ostrich.

Speaking as a former high school debate judge, (parent volunteer-it was a blast) debates are generally lost when facts and logics are routinely ignored.

And most people recognize when one side tries oratory hi-jinx, to escape the truth, and hide in fiery but empty rhetoric.

Yes Jim Jordan I'm speaking to you.



 

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/politics/donald-trump-never-trump-white-house-staff/index.html

Trump suggested firing impeachment witnesses

This is one of those things Kid labels "non-story."

The possibility of moving officials out of the White House could be viewed by some as evidence of retribution for their testimony, advisers warn

So, somebody there retains at least half a clue and it seems as if Trump was convinced about that, if not about his incessant tweeting.

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-rep-jim-jordan-on-face-the-nation-november-17-2019/

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/politics/donald-trump-never-trump-white-house-staff/index.html

Trump suggested firing impeachment witnesses

This is one of those things Kid labels "non-story."

The possibility of moving officials out of the White House could be viewed by some as evidence of retribution for their testimony, advisers warn

So, somebody there retains at least half a clue and it seems as if Trump was convinced about that, if not about his incessant tweeting.

I love this article

Thank you, Kevin and Pamela

[josh]

Holmes testified on Friday that he was with Sondland in Kiev the day after Trump's call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in which Sondland called Trump and held the phone out at a restaurant where Holmes could hear the conversation.
In that conversation, Trump asked Sondland if the Ukrainians were going to "do the investigation," and Sondland responded, "He's gonna do it." Holmes' testimony provides Democrats with firsthand accounting that brings the push for the investigations closer to the President.

From CNN.

[LarryBnDC]

One approach Republicans are taking to defend trump (the only approach that will end up being available to them) is OK, Trump did it and its bad, but not impeachable.


Each Republican is of his/her own mind.   They don't get together in a room and decide what to say.

Ha!

You don’t know how any of this works.

The old saying is still true:

Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/11/18/yes-its-ok-to-speculate-on-the-presidents-health-071399

I’m going with he fell and broke his hip in the shower.

[facilitatorn]

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/barr-speech-federalist-society-impeachment.html