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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[barton]

I invite anyone who thinks gas concentrations of 400 ppm are trifling to breathe chlorine or hydrogen cyanide at those levels!   

And catalytic gases like trichlorofluoromethane ripped open the UV protective ozone layer over Bambuland at much smaller concentrations, leaving a hole that may be there for thousands of years. 

 

[barton]

Many people's assessment. Including some who have left the administration

Egg throwers?  Not so much.  But you wouldn't expect praise from opposition extremists

EXTREMISTS!!

[bambu.]

I invite anyone who thinks gas concentrations of 400 ppm are trifling to breathe chlorine or hydrogen cyanide at those levels!   

And catalytic gases like trichlorofluoromethane ripped open the UV protective ozone layer over Bambuland at much smaller concentrations, leaving a hole that may be there for thousands of years.

No ozone hole over Australia, never was.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/06/30/australia-never-had-an-ozone-hole-but-antarcticas-is-healing_a_21422262/

[barton]

Areas of ozone depletion extended to southern Australia and tip of S. America.  "Hole" was meant loosely.  Yes, the greatest depletion was over Antarctica.  But a zone of depletion was larger than that.

And it's all beside the point, which you evade, that gases even in low ppb concentrations can have massive effects.   NO (nitrogen oxide) for example has 300 times the longwave energy retention of C02, and is thus a powerful greenhouse gas.  So it's a serious problem that it's found in tailpipe emissions.   Some gases, like methane, have a positive feedback effect, where methane traps heat, melting permafrost, which then releases more methane, which traps more heat.   

[bambu.]

Areas of ozone depletion extended to southern Australia and tip of S. America.  "Hole" was meant loosely.  Yes, the greatest depletion was over Antarctica.  But a zone of depletion was larger than that.

And it's all beside the point, which you evade, that gases even in low ppb concentrations can have massive effects.   NO (nitrogen oxide) for example has 300 times the longwave energy retention of C02, and is thus a powerful greenhouse gas.  So it's a serious problem that it's found in tailpipe emissions.   Some gases, like methane, have a positive feedback effect, where methane traps heat, melting permafrost, which then releases more methane, which traps more heat.   

Simple solution...electric cars.
There was a nice Tesla car on display in a mall recently...cost, $70,000.
Cost $20,000 people would buy them.
No wage rises for a decade [massive immigration, "big Australia", employers are 'laughing']...prices always increasing, enough people have shut their wallets to be causing retail stores problems.

[bambu.]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/world/australia/water-drought-climate.html

As Water Runs Low, Can Life in the Outback Go On?

In Australia’s vast interior, rivers and lakes are disappearing. “We’re starting to glimpse what the future is going to be like,” one scientist said.

Fleur Magick Dennis and her son James carrying drinking water home from the town hall in Euchareena, Australia. Credit...Adam Ferguson for The New York Times.

EUCHAREENA, Australia — Fleur Magick Dennis has stopped showering every day, allowed her vegetable patch to die and told her four sons to let the dishes pile up. Sometimes, all her family has is bottled water, and they have to preserve every drop.

A year and a half ago, the reservoir in their town, Euchareena, went dry, leaving the family and some other residents without running water.

“I didn’t think I’d be in this position, trying to fight for water for basic human needs in Australia,” Ms. Magick Dennis said.

As a crippling drought and mismanagement have left more than a dozen Australian towns and villages without a reliable source of water, the country is beginning to confront a question that strikes at its very identity: Is life in Australia’s vast interior compatible with the age of climate change?

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Answer; NO.
Mismanagement by dim-witted politicians who refuse/d to listen to no1 radio host. He's been telling them for 30 years how to 'water Australia'.

It's not only in the outback...Sydney will be out of water 1n 18 months...many country towns long before that.
Families on farms have run out of water already. Buying water costs money, no money, no hope.
Beer drinkers to the rescue.
Water from beer!

https://www.clubsnsw.com.au/LitresfortheLand

[josh]

Areas of ozone depletion extended to southern Australia and tip of S. America.  "Hole" was meant loosely.  Yes, the greatest depletion was over Antarctica.  But a zone of depletion was larger than that.

And it's all beside the point, which you evade, that gases even in low ppb concentrations can have massive effects.   NO (nitrogen oxide) for example has 300 times the longwave energy retention of C02, and is thus a powerful greenhouse gas.  So it's a serious problem that it's found in tailpipe emissions.   Some gases, like methane, have a positive feedback effect, where methane traps heat, melting permafrost, which then releases more methane, which traps more heat.   

Simple solution...electric cars.

Globally, about 15 percent of manmade carbon dioxide comes from cars, trucks, airplanes, ships and other vehicles.

No, not a solution. It would help, though less than you seem to think.

With 75 percent of Americans still driving to work by themselves, changing over to electric cars looks like a promising step for reducing emissions. But a host of timing and technical challenges stand in the way. Electric vehicles accounted for just two percent of the 5.3 million cars sold last year, and Americans are holding on to their cars longer than ever; at current rates, it would take about 15 years for the current 263 million vehicle fleet to turn over. Ramping up EV sales would require radically ambitious incentives. Many EV skeptics note that the vehicles themselves are resource-intensive to manufacture, and electric cars take about twice as much energy to build than a traditional internal combustion car. And before mass electrification of cars and decarbonizing the grid, Americans will need to reckon with two big facts: The population is growing and people are driving more.

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[josh]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/world/australia/water-drought-climate.html

As Water Runs Low, Can Life in the Outback Go On?

In Australia’s vast interior, rivers and lakes are disappearing. “We’re starting to glimpse what the future is going to be like,” one scientist said.

Fleur Magick Dennis and her son James carrying drinking water home from the town hall in Euchareena, Australia. Credit...Adam Ferguson for The New York Times.

EUCHAREENA, Australia — Fleur Magick Dennis has stopped showering every day, allowed her vegetable patch to die and told her four sons to let the dishes pile up. Sometimes, all her family has is bottled water, and they have to preserve every drop.

A year and a half ago, the reservoir in their town, Euchareena, went dry, leaving the family and some other residents without running water.

“I didn’t think I’d be in this position, trying to fight for water for basic human needs in Australia,” Ms. Magick Dennis said.

As a crippling drought and mismanagement have left more than a dozen Australian towns and villages without a reliable source of water, the country is beginning to confront a question that strikes at its very identity: Is life in Australia’s vast interior compatible with the age of climate change?

#####

Answer; NO.
Mismanagement by dim-witted politicians who refuse/d to listen to no1 radio host. He's been telling them for 30 years how to 'water Australia'.

It's not only in the outback...Sydney will be out of water 1n 18 months...many country towns long before that.
Families on farms have run out of water already. Buying water costs money, no money, no hope.
Beer drinkers to the rescue.
Water from beer!

https://www.clubsnsw.com.au/LitresfortheLand

It's like you carefully read for the one or two words you want in a thing and totally ignore the rest.

Yes, mismanagement is a problem, Bambi.

But..."a crippling drought" was a part of it. And regardless of the causes, "more than a dozen Australian towns and villages (are) without a reliable source of water."

It leaves the question you decline to discuss:

Is life in Australia’s vast interior compatible with the age of climate change?

[bambu.]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/world/australia/water-drought-climate.html

As Water Runs Low, Can Life in the Outback Go On?

In Australia’s vast interior, rivers and lakes are disappearing. “We’re starting to glimpse what the future is going to be like,” one scientist said.

Fleur Magick Dennis and her son James carrying drinking water home from the town hall in Euchareena, Australia. Credit...Adam Ferguson for The New York Times.

EUCHAREENA, Australia — Fleur Magick Dennis has stopped showering every day, allowed her vegetable patch to die and told her four sons to let the dishes pile up. Sometimes, all her family has is bottled water, and they have to preserve every drop.

A year and a half ago, the reservoir in their town, Euchareena, went dry, leaving the family and some other residents without running water.

“I didn’t think I’d be in this position, trying to fight for water for basic human needs in Australia,” Ms. Magick Dennis said.

As a crippling drought and mismanagement have left more than a dozen Australian towns and villages without a reliable source of water, the country is beginning to confront a question that strikes at its very identity: Is life in Australia’s vast interior compatible with the age of climate change?

#####

Answer; NO.
Mismanagement by dim-witted politicians who refuse/d to listen to no1 radio host. He's been telling them for 30 years how to 'water Australia'.

It's not only in the outback...Sydney will be out of water 1n 18 months...many country towns long before that.
Families on farms have run out of water already. Buying water costs money, no money, no hope.
Beer drinkers to the rescue.
Water from beer!

https://www.clubsnsw.com.au/LitresfortheLand

It's like you carefully read for the one or two words you want in a thing and totally ignore the rest.

Yes, mismanagement is a problem, Bambi.

But..."a crippling drought" was a part of it. And regardless of the causes, "more than a dozen Australian towns and villages (are) without a reliable source of water."

It leaves the question you decline to discuss:

Is life in Australia’s vast interior compatible with the age of climate change?

I answered NO.

[bambu.]

Is life in Australia’s vast interior compatible with the age of climate change?   No, not anymore.
Is life on family farms compatible with climate change?    No, not anymore. the land will never recover now, the paddocks are dead forever.
Farmers are being wiped out, selling all their breeding stock. They're finished.
Towns are finished, businesses have gone broke. Broke farmers, broke towns.

The iconic poem;

My Country

The love of field and coppice
Of green and shaded lanes,
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins.
Strong love of grey-blue distance,
Brown streams and soft, dim skies
I know, but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror
The wide brown land for me!

The stark white ring-barked forests,
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon,
Green tangle of the brushes
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops,
And ferns the warm dark soil.

Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When, sick at heart, around us
We see the cattle die
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady soaking rain.

Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back threefold.
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze ...

An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand.
Though Earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.

**
 
Dorothea Mackeller

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This time there are no "flooding rains"...so it's the end.
No rain, no hope.
There would've been hope, if the federal govts now and in the past had any idea.
"Pipe water from where it is to where it's needed" - no 1 radio host tells them, they never listen...now look what's happened...ruination.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvgg47/what-happened-after-chicago-police-cut-down-on-busting-drug-possession-and-prostitution

[josh]

This time there are no "flooding rains"...so it's the end.
No rain, no hope.
There would've been hope, if the federal govts now and in the past had any idea.
"Pipe water from where it is to where it's needed" - no 1 radio host tells them, they never listen...now look what's happened...ruination.

"from where it is to where it's needed"

If only they could have predicted that these areas that now have need but in the past did not would have the need, while some places that in the past had need do not now.

Your radio host's advice is at the level of "Buy low, sell high."

Good luck finding him predicting where the piping needed to be a decade ago, given that he spent most of the intervening years first denying that anything was happening, then that anything manmade was happening, and finally that there was/is anything to be done about it.

[josh]

http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvgg47/what-happened-after-chicago-police-cut-down-on-busting-drug-possession-and-prostitution

There are still minorities to bother.

[facilitatorn]

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/november-jobs-report-analysis-wage-growth-unemployment.html

Debunks most of Red’s bullshit boosterism in the face of this sinking  economy dragged down daily by policies designed by and for trump’s flunkies.

[kiidcarter8]

Many people's assessment. Including some who have left the administration

Egg throwers?  Not so much.  But you wouldn't expect praise from opposition extremists

EXTREMISTS!!

Yes.  Your group.  You say you are a proud American but cannot act like it because the President's personality has you all fucked in the head.