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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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kiidcarter8

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29385 on: March 20, 2020, 01:04:19 PM »

One French study, I see.   When Zithromax combined with chloroquinine.   Possibly could help knock down secondary infection in the lungs.   Not a magic bullet,  but more clinical testing may be worthwhile.

Magic bullet?

Will less be hospitalized?  Less need a ventilator (seems to be the FIRE!  HELP!  OH NO! worry tossed around)?  And much less lose their life?

The pessimists will refuse to see any light.  Sadly - in part due to their needing Trump to be a total failure. 

10 mil dead.  New Prez.  Yay.
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« Reply #29386 on: March 20, 2020, 01:27:38 PM »

The virus’s spread will cost thousands of American lives and will inflict long-term damage on the economy, Klain said. And there is no clear indication that the number of tests available in the U.S. will ramp up anytime soon.




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« Reply #29387 on: March 20, 2020, 02:07:42 PM »

I might be inclined to agree that the bolded part is overstated on "long-term" damage.  However,  what backs up your certainty that the bolded part is wrong?

Also,  where was this clipped from?   
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29388 on: March 20, 2020, 02:13:01 PM »

At least one auto maker will begin making ventilators

Interesting.
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« Reply #29389 on: March 20, 2020, 02:22:58 PM »

BTW, if the US is going to do the voluntary lockdown and isolation approach, it will be for a shorter duration if the measures are fairly strict and well-organized, and people comply.

How short - and how do you arrive at this conclusion?

Moderator still has 10 million US dying. Why shouldn't we believe him?

Not what moderator said.
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« Reply #29390 on: March 20, 2020, 02:26:31 PM »

And if you don't believe me about the true number of cases, NY just doubled its confirmed cases as a result of more testing.  One US health official said to multiply the official numbers by 5-10 times, which I thought was very conservative.  A health official in Ohio estimated there might be 50k cases in that state already!  I can source that info if anyone wants.  I think my 10x the official count estimation is likely too low, but at least gets you in the right ballpark.


Beieve YOU?   I live here.  And it doesnt take any special qualifications for the math efficiency of more tests = more positives.

I have no idea what you mean by 5x or 10x but the moderator thinks ten million US will die.

More testing giving more positives, but not more critical cases means lower mortality rates.

California's approach means lower case numbers and lower mortality rates.

Florida's approach til now and Texas' mean higher case numbers.

If we all did what California is doing, the "6-8 weeks" would be feasible, Kid. But we're not doing it and it won't start being that length of time until we do.
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« Reply #29391 on: March 20, 2020, 03:38:03 PM »

Looks like NY is following CA's lead.  And I wouldn't be surprised to see NJ follow suit.


I was simply saying take the official number of cases for any given state and multiply that by 10 to provide a better ballpark figure for the true number of viral infections.  Even that guesswork is probably too low, but at least provides some idea of the scale of the outbreak around you, rather than the absurdly low official numbers due mainly to minimal testing.


So there's a lack of test kits, lack of swabs, lack of reagent chemicals needed for the test, a lack of protective gear, and a lack of facemasks.
Great job.  Beautiful planning and preparation.
Here's an article on the testing shortages: https://apnews.com/4aac3a10664097f38633149367ac3928
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« Reply #29392 on: March 20, 2020, 03:46:56 PM »

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On Monday, a report released by a team of epidemiologists at Imperial College London found that 2.2 million Americans could die from the viral outbreak, unless action is taken by the government and public to contain it.

A model of potential outcomes in the U.S., released by the CDC last Friday, showed as many as 1.7 million Americans could die from the virus, and between 160 million and 210 million Americans could contract COVID-19. Those CDC estimates sped up and heightened the U.S. response.

I assume that's based on taking little or no action.
There's plenty of evidence from a number of countries that strong prophylactic measures can curb infections and reduce deaths.

The US response has been slow, chaotic, badly handled, and uncoordinated.
Really on the verge of disaster and certainly caused unnecessary deaths.
I might just start calling it the Trump Virus.
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« Reply #29393 on: March 20, 2020, 03:49:06 PM »

Here’s a comprehensive article on the response.

http://www.theweek.com/articles/903353/america-worlds-worst-coronavirus-responses

American Conservatism has been plotting these murders for years.
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« Reply #29394 on: March 20, 2020, 03:57:26 PM »

The voting population will really appreciate the republican caucus downplaying the emergency until they could each personally sell off their stock.

What transactions did the trump family and business execute in the market since late January?

Illegal insider trading likely explains at least one third of trump’s insanity and incoherence.
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« Reply #29395 on: March 20, 2020, 03:57:47 PM »

Let me try to explain my thinking, Kid, for all that I share it with the Imperial College in the UK and a ton of US sources.

Have a look at this image. It comes from Worldometer, which is tracking global cases as well as providing individual  nation's statuses. (<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/>)

Image is below, as an attachment.

Note that the rate of death reports is running at about the same pace as the rate of case reports and that both of them continue on at least a geometric, if not exponential growth rate.

Part of the problem that this country faces that make a joke of Dr. Oz's optimistic observations is shown in this article:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2020/03/19/spring-break-beaches-florida-look-packed-despite-coronavirus-spread/2873248001/

As one kid puts it, "If I get coronavirus, I get coronavirus. It's not going to stop me from partying!"

But what neither he nor the rest of the dimwits he's partying with have managed to figure out is that once they leave Spring Break, many of them will be carriers all over the country! And... OMG, Clearwater, FL in their inestimable wisdom said, "Okay, we'll close the beaches on Monday," after the Break week is over and they've gotten as much $$ as they can.

Until we take this seriously, which it sounds like you still don't, and act to prevent that bullshit, we're going to keep being in trouble. California will likely see their situation cease to deteriorate in the next couple weeks and start to improve, so long as they don't let the Spring Break jokers into their communities.

I expect Florida to have more cases and more deaths than California, ultimately, Kid, because of the differences in their handling the virus, despite CA's having twice as many people. I expect their deaths will be disproportionately higher, as well, because of the age difference. 14.1% of California are 60+. In Florida, it's 22.2 percent!

Do you have any basis for your beliefs other than Dr. Oz and President Trump?
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« Reply #29396 on: March 20, 2020, 04:16:25 PM »

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« Reply #29398 on: March 20, 2020, 04:20:13 PM »

Illinois just joined CA & NY with full state lockdowns (with exception of course).
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« Reply #29399 on: March 20, 2020, 04:46:55 PM »

This disease is effecting everyone, even the Royals.

May God be with Prince Albert of Monaco who has tested positive for the illness, and with everyone battling this illness.

And may God be with the doctors, nurses, and medical researchers.

Of note, we have some of the smartest people working on the space projects, maybe we can ask those scientists to focus on all of the aspects of the corona crisis, we can direct the world's smartest people to help on this crisis.

Salute,

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