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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

I think you are catching on that some citizens - and even some leaders disagree with the level of "lockdown" governors are getting entire states to.

Easy answer?  Still no.

A "right" and a "wrong"?  Nope.

The reason we have economies,  in a democracy, is to lift everyone.   

So,  we don't sacrifice some people to lift others.   The founding principles of America include that the individual life has value and dignity.

I wonder if Barton actually read what he wrote before hitting post.
Ending economies helps no one.
And continued lockdowns will sacrifice many more people than ending the lockdowns will. 

[LarryBnDC]

I think you are catching on that some citizens - and even some leaders disagree with the level of "lockdown" governors are getting entire states to.

Easy answer?  Still no.

A "right" and a "wrong"?  Nope.

The reason we have economies,  in a democracy, is to lift everyone.   

So,  we don't sacrifice some people to lift others.   The founding principles of America include that the individual life has value and dignity.

I wonder if Barton actually read what wrote before hitting post.
Ending economies helps no one.
And continued lockdowns will sacrifice many more people than ending the lockdowns will.

Back that up with a statistic...

[LarryBnDC]

 Meanwhile the President is a lying piece of shit and a fucking coward.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF_LvrUvozQ

[josh]

I think you are catching on that some citizens - and even some leaders disagree with the level of "lockdown" governors are getting entire states to.

Easy answer?  Still no.

A "right" and a "wrong"?  Nope.

Americans still overwhelmingly support the "lockdowns."  I posted recently a breakdown by business. 

This also contradicts REDSTATEWARD's contention that we are all just going to accept people dying of COVID19, which is a separate issue from the "lockdowns."  Because if we really are ok with getting sick and possibly dying, then the choice he alludes to is real.  Governors reopen their states and people head out to restaurants and movie theaters in droves, all returns to normal.

Of course, as with most things REDSTATEWARD says, it has no relationship with reality.  The choice he presents is a false one.  Removing the "lockdowns" without pairing with routine testing and contact tracing is not going to give most people the confidence to go back to life as normal.  And even the states that have opened up have done it in a limited way that is insignificant to the economy.

The end result is that we get sicker, and still saddled with a huge economic downturn which is at this point, thanks to Trump's world-class fuck-up of a response, a certainty.

Needs seems to think sending the economy into a long and senseless depression through lockdowns will have some positive effect on covid-19. But he won’t recognize the overall acceleration of deaths by other causes along with ruined lives, mental illness, future generations deprived of a decent education, et al is a price we are not signing up for.
But what he is really afraid of is turning the country back into the hands of the people.

Ward seems to think that sending citizens to die in senseless fashion will have some positive effect on the economy. But he can't recognize that the overall acceleration of deaths along with ruined lives, mentall illness, and future generations deprived of both the economic forces he think will miraculously come to the fore despite the deaths and decent education, is a worthwhile price to pay.

And what Ward is really afraid of is heeding the voice of the people, 75% of whom oppose opening things back up, incuding 57% of the GOP.

[josh]

I think you are catching on that some citizens - and even some leaders disagree with the level of "lockdown" governors are getting entire states to.

Easy answer?  Still no.

A "right" and a "wrong"?  Nope.

The reason we have economies,  in a democracy, is to lift everyone.   

So,  we don't sacrifice some people to lift others.   The founding principles of America include that the individual life has value and dignity.

I wonder if Barton actually read what wrote before hitting post.
Ending economies helps no one.
And continued lockdowns will sacrifice many more people than ending the lockdowns will.

"I wonder if Barton actually read what wrote before hitting post."

Irony.

"And continued lockdowns will sacrifice many more people than ending the lockdowns will. "

No evidence to support that position, just fervent desire to restate it.

[bambu.]

The nation is in mourning.
No 1 radio host has announced that he is retiring from radio on May 29.

[LarryBnDC]

The nation is in mourning.
No 1 radio host has announced that he is retiring from radio on May 29.

Huzzah!

[REDSTATEWARD]

I think you are catching on that some citizens - and even some leaders disagree with the level of "lockdown" governors are getting entire states to.

Easy answer?  Still no.

A "right" and a "wrong"?  Nope.

Americans still overwhelmingly support the "lockdowns."  I posted recently a breakdown by business. 

This also contradicts REDSTATEWARD's contention that we are all just going to accept people dying of COVID19, which is a separate issue from the "lockdowns."  Because if we really are ok with getting sick and possibly dying, then the choice he alludes to is real.  Governors reopen their states and people head out to restaurants and movie theaters in droves, all returns to normal.

Of course, as with most things REDSTATEWARD says, it has no relationship with reality.  The choice he presents is a false one.  Removing the "lockdowns" without pairing with routine testing and contact tracing is not going to give most people the confidence to go back to life as normal.  And even the states that have opened up have done it in a limited way that is insignificant to the economy.

The end result is that we get sicker, and still saddled with a huge economic downturn which is at this point, thanks to Trump's world-class fuck-up of a response, a certainty.

Needs seems to think sending the economy into a long and senseless depression through lockdowns will have some positive effect on covid-19. But he won’t recognize the overall acceleration of deaths by other causes along with ruined lives, mental illness, future generations deprived of a decent education, et al is a price we are not signing up for.
But what he is really afraid of is turning the country back into the hands of the people.

Ward seems to think that sending citizens to die in senseless fashion will have some positive effect on the economy.

Lockdowns cause more deaths and greater misery.

But he can't recognize that the overall acceleration of deaths along with ruined lives, mentall illness, and future generations deprived of both the economic forces he think will miraculously come to the fore despite the deaths and decent education, is a worthwhile price to pay.

That made no sense.

And what Ward is really afraid of is heeding the voice of the people, 75% of whom oppose opening things back up, incuding 57% of the GOP. lol

Josh ignores the movement to reopen. Fortunately he is powerless to stop it.

[kiidcarter8]

Very sneaky, Obama

Trump now calls him out for treason.  I get what Barack is doing.  As Hillary floundered, he uttered, "this old fuck would never have beaten me".. So now he will make it SEEM like Trump is running against Obama, not Biden.

As the Twitter war grows, trump can only be thankful Barack cant actually be on the trail.


(unless of course Trump is right about the actions of the former president while in office)

[barton]

I think you are catching on that some citizens - and even some leaders disagree with the level of "lockdown" governors are getting entire states to.

Easy answer?  Still no.

A "right" and a "wrong"?  Nope.

The reason we have economies,  in a democracy, is to lift everyone.   

So,  we don't sacrifice some people to lift others.   The founding principles of America include that the individual life has value and dignity.

I wonder if Barton actually read what he wrote before hitting post.
Ending economies helps no one.
And continued lockdowns will sacrifice many more people than ending the lockdowns will.

In logic this is called the fallacy of the excluded middle.   You see only two narrowly defined choices of awful,  when we have others.   We are a wealthy nation,  we can compensate those who need to stay home and not just abandon them to destitution.  And,  in so doing,  we affirm the dignity of individual lives,  which lifts us all up.   This spiritual affirmation is worth far more than how many widgets we can make,  or abstract measures like GDP or the S&P.   If we aimed at benchmarks like the lowest number of homeless people sleeping on the street tonight (hint: zero is good), that would be an indicator of a civilized society.   So we run some big deficits.   Your cohort seems to believe they're no biggie.   

[facilitatorn]

Meanwhile the President is a lying piece of shit and a fucking coward.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF_LvrUvozQ

He seems very weak and ill informed, even for a republican.

[barton]

Meanwhile the President is a lying piece of shit and a fucking coward.

 I thought this was a news thread.

 

[facilitatorn]

Trump fleeing in panic all the time might have something to do with this

http://youtu.be/kOhs-tzVm1g

He knows the reporters know. He knows his staff knows. He knows his family knows. He’s gonna be one sad Donald when his fans finally figure it out and let him know they know too.

[LarryBnDC]

I think you are catching on that some citizens - and even some leaders disagree with the level of "lockdown" governors are getting entire states to.

Easy answer?  Still no.

A "right" and a "wrong"?  Nope.

Americans still overwhelmingly support the "lockdowns."  I posted recently a breakdown by business. 

This also contradicts REDSTATEWARD's contention that we are all just going to accept people dying of COVID19, which is a separate issue from the "lockdowns."  Because if we really are ok with getting sick and possibly dying, then the choice he alludes to is real.  Governors reopen their states and people head out to restaurants and movie theaters in droves, all returns to normal.

Of course, as with most things REDSTATEWARD says, it has no relationship with reality.  The choice he presents is a false one.  Removing the "lockdowns" without pairing with routine testing and contact tracing is not going to give most people the confidence to go back to life as normal.  And even the states that have opened up have done it in a limited way that is insignificant to the economy.

The end result is that we get sicker, and still saddled with a huge economic downturn which is at this point, thanks to Trump's world-class fuck-up of a response, a certainty.

Needs seems to think sending the economy into a long and senseless depression through lockdowns will have some positive effect on covid-19. But he won’t recognize the overall acceleration of deaths by other causes along with ruined lives, mental illness, future generations deprived of a decent education, et al is a price we are not signing up for.
But what he is really afraid of is turning the country back into the hands of the people.

Ward seems to think that sending citizens to die in senseless fashion will have some positive effect on the economy.

Lockdowns cause more deaths and greater misery.

But he can't recognize that the overall acceleration of deaths along with ruined lives, mentall illness, and future generations deprived of both the economic forces he think will miraculously come to the fore despite the deaths and decent education, is a worthwhile price to pay.

That made no sense.

And what Ward is really afraid of is heeding the voice of the people, 75% of whom oppose opening things back up, incuding 57% of the GOP. lol

Josh ignores the movement to reopen. Fortunately he is powerless to stop it.

Ima ask for a second time. Post some stats to back that up.

[LarryBnDC]

Defeating an invisible enemy like the coronavirus requires working diagnostics. But when the CDC’s original test kit failed, there was no Plan B. The nation’s private-sector biomedical establishment is world-class, but the administration kept these resources cordoned behind red tape as the CDC foundered. Precious weeks slipped by — amid infighting, ass covering, and wasted effort — and the virus slipped through the nation’s crippled surveillance apparatus, taking root in hot spots across the country, and in particular, New York City.
The mismanagement cost lives. With adequate testing from the beginning, says Dr. Howard Forman, a Yale professor of public-health policy, “we would have been able to stop the spread of this virus in its tracks the way that many other nations have.” Instead, says Sen. Murray, the administration’s response was “wait until it’s too late, and then try and contain one of the most aggressive viruses that we’ve ever seen.”


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-19-test-trump-admin-failed-disaster-995930/