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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Echo4]

You are doing what conservatives say.

Taking the black vote for granted. It gives the rightwing to play there tune about blacks being on the “Democrat Plantation.”

What I did was address your contention that "investing" in an already loyal base is the best use of Biden's VP pick.  As I said, being just politically crass, I think that is incorrect in Biden's case.

Then, far from take it for granted, I provided evidence that the black vote is actually behind a Warren pick.  Maybe the only way to get it isn't to pick a black candidate?

It's not shoring up the percentage of voters who vote for you vs. others.

It's increasing the turnout of those self-same voters. 65.3% of white voters voted vs. 59.6% of black voters, and only 47.6% of Hispanic voters.

Increasing the black voter turnout will have more power to help than turning out more white voters. Turning out more Hispanics, obviously, too.

16% of Americans see themselves as progressive. (Or did a year ago...) 15% said liberal, 29% said moderate, and 34% said conservative. When the moderates were pushed to choose, most did, leaving a 48/47 split between conservatives and liberals.

I don't think second seat is going to motivate the shunners of moderatism - it won't give Warren a better chance of winning in 2024, if she were to run. I think the other path has a better shot of making the difference that we need.

[barton]

Missed the overnight six pages, but catching up found some meaty discussion of the veep prospects.   Though still wavering meself, I take Needs point on being "crass. "   Who best gets a win for Joe.   And I figure any of them will evoke rage and slander tweets from Mousse O'Leany (am getting so tired of hearing his actual name,  that I need to improvise) so hope the pick can "go high" Michelle-style.   Purely speculative on my part,  but maybe this year is not the optimal year for former AGs or DAs.   

Still sorta like Cory but he'd need sexual reassignment surgery to qualify.   

Liz is kind of TftPo1 deal on region,  senator from the northeast but roots in the heartland.   That could somewhat soften her East Coast Lib edge.   She certainly gave glimpses of the Midwestern Mom in some of the debates.   

[bankshot1]

I had posted a like thought about Booker on another forum when some questions about Harris and Klobuchar prosecutorial histories popped-up. I really like the guy, I met him a couple of times (social & local fund-raiser) and he seems real. But he's got a dick.

Unless more stuff comes up on Harris IMO the 2-spot is hers.

[Yankguy1]

I have no issues with her as VP, she'd add to the ticket, but I think she might be best as AG. 

[kiidcarter8]

I had posted a like thought about Booker on another forum when some questions about Harris and Klobuchar prosecutorial histories popped-up. I really like the guy, I met him a couple of times (social & local fund-raiser) and he seems real. But he's got a dick.

Unless more stuff comes up on Harris IMO the 2-spot is hers.

Fucking dumb to be committed to a woman

[bankshot1]

I have no issues with her as VP, she'd add to the ticket, but I think she might be best as AG.

She's too ambitious.  : )

Not sure that the AG job gives her a sufficient political platform for future career moves.

[kiidcarter8]

I have no issues with her as VP, she'd add to the ticket, but I think she might be best as AG.

Is she qualified...experienced enough to be AG?

[bankshot1]

I had posted a like thought about Booker on another forum when some questions about Harris and Klobuchar prosecutorial histories popped-up. I really like the guy, I met him a couple of times (social & local fund-raiser) and he seems real. But he's got a dick.

Unless more stuff comes up on Harris IMO the 2-spot is hers.

Fucking dumb to be committed to a woman

Love's a grand thing with the right woman.

But that's why there are divorce lawyers.

[bankshot1]

speaking of the fairer sex

Just heard of some tawdry rumors about a shadowy senator who goes by the name "Lady G"

[Yankguy1]

I have no issues with her as VP, she'd add to the ticket, but I think she might be best as AG.

Is she qualified...experienced enough to be AG?

What more could you want in experience and qualifications than she has? Don't take my word for it, though.  Why don't you look it up? 

[kiidcarter8]

In America, you seem to get many years in prison for not doing much wrong.

Disproportionately longer sentences for African-American men than for white men. It's not even close. Ditto the parole rates.

I've only been trying to tell you this for a few years, now.

Are you in favor of felons being let out without bail in NY?

[Hamilton Samuels]

I had posted a like thought about Booker on another forum when some questions about Harris and Klobuchar prosecutorial histories popped-up. I really like the guy, I met him a couple of times (social & local fund-raiser) and he seems real. But he's got a dick.

Unless more stuff comes up on Harris IMO the 2-spot is hers.

Fucking dumb to be committed to a woman

I take it you're not married?

Seriously, are you thinking of Sarah Palin as an example? Certainly politicians can box themselves into a corner, if that is your point.

Still,  I think the governor of NM is a good choice for Joey Bee.

[Hamilton Samuels]

I have no issues with her as VP, she'd add to the ticket, but I think she might be best as AG.

Is she qualified...experienced enough to be AG?

Is Barr?

[Hamilton Samuels]

In America, you seem to get many years in prison for not doing much wrong.

Disproportionately longer sentences for African-American men than for white men. It's not even close. Ditto the parole rates.

I've only been trying to tell you this for a few years, now.

Are you in favor of felons being let out without bail in NY?

I'm in favor of the Constitution. How about you?

[kiidcarter8]

Seriously, are you thinking of Sarah Palin as an example? Certainly politicians can box themselves into a corner, if that is your point.


WTF are you talking about?  Palin was selected from a group that included men.