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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Hairy Lime]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/10/president-trump-plans-race-relations-roundtable-discussion-at-dallas-church/

Meeting with "Faith leaders, law enforcement and small business owners". I am for some reason unhopeful.

[barton]

“Don't you think we have a responsibility to be considerate of each other's thoughts and feelings, if we expect others to be considerate of our thoughts, feelings?

Not to go all Miss Manners on you, but it's my contention that your message is clouded or enhanced by the manner in which you deliver it, and that would be indeed be your "problem", it in fact you truly wish to be heard.”

Considerate?

How do you politely utter a primal scream?

A deranged man is burning down the theater.   But let's discuss the etiquette of how to quietly fold our popcorn boxes and properly dispose of.

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The country’s top military official apologized on Thursday for taking part in President Trump’s walk across Lafayette Square for a photo op after authorities used tear gas and rubber bullets to clear the area of peaceful protesters.

“I should not have been there,” Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in a prerecorded video commencement address to National Defense University. “My presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/george-floyd-protests.html

I respect Milley for speaking out.  He got snookered by a bastard "president" into participating in a nakedly political photo-op the military should not have played a part in after peaceful protesters got gassed to clear the square.

But here is the thing; the perception of military involvement was entirely correct.  That very day Trump was pushing to have 10,000 troops on the street, only to be pulled back by his advisers.  So this is actually a case when the facade the Administration was putting up to try to tell the story it wanted to tell was actually leaving their true intentions naked for America to see.

And America didn't like what it saw.

[Yankguy1]

I'd change the name of all military bases named after Confederate military leaders.  The only one I might keep is Fort Bragg which is named after perhaps the most incompetent general to ever wear a uniform.  I think changing that name to Fort Bragg-Trump makes sense.

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Got to be deliberate that he's (a) having it in Tulsa


Nah - I think they picked it out of a hat.

Are you looking to deny Trump the right to campaign as he wishes now?

The "president" is free to send whatever message he chooses to.  And we are free to note what that message is.

For one of his most ardent supporters, you seem to be the only one not listening.

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Got to be deliberate that he's (a) having it in Tulsa


Nah - I think they picked it out of a hat.

Are you looking to deny Trump the right to campaign as he wishes now?

The "president" is free to send whatever message he chooses to.  And we are free to note what that message is.

For one of his most ardent supporters, you seem to be the only one not listening.

Check that.  I'm sure you hear the dog whistle loud and true.  You just don't have the courage of your convictions to admit it.

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I'd change the name of all military bases named after Confederate military leaders.  The only one I might keep is Fort Bragg which is named after perhaps the most incompetent general to ever wear a uniform.  I think changing that name to Fort Bragg-Trump makes sense.

My response to the news was "there are military bases named after Confederate military leaders?  Why the fuck is that?"

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Got to be deliberate that he's (a) having it in Tulsa


Nah - I think they picked it out of a hat.

Are you looking to deny Trump the right to campaign as he wishes now?

The "president" is free to send whatever message he chooses to.  And we are free to note what that message is.

For one of his most ardent supporters, you seem to be the only one not listening.

Check that.  I'm sure you hear the dog whistle loud and true.  You just don't have the courage of your convictions to admit it.

Checking myself again; I shouldn't have said that holding a fascist campaign rally in Tulsa on Juneteenth is a dog whistle.  Its a fucking trumpet.

We knew this already, of course, but only more clear that Trump's 2020 plan is to rally the base, screw the rest of the country.  We are in for a very very ugly five months.

[Hairy Lime]

Jefferson raped at least one of his slaves and she bore six of his children.

The historians debate the nature of his relationship with Hemmings.   While most agree now on evidence of the paternity,  I think the rape part remains conjectural. 

Edit:  fucking auto-correct

I think the issue would be the impossibility of mutual consent in a sexual relationship with someone you own.

[Hairy Lime]

I'd change the name of all military bases named after Confederate military leaders.  The only one I might keep is Fort Bragg which is named after perhaps the most incompetent general to ever wear a uniform.  I think changing that name to Fort Bragg-Trump makes sense.

While it is true that Braxton Bragg contributed immeasurably to the Union success in the west, fairness compels me to note that during WW II there was also a Fort Burnside.

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The head of Trump's Coronavirus task force posts picture of his campaign staff flagrantly violating Virginia Coronavirus health guidelines:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/mike-pence-2020-election-coronavirus/index.html

But keep telling me these are good people.

(For second day in a row, note how they put the Black dude up front...)

[barton]

Jefferson raped at least one of his slaves and she bore six of his children.

The historians debate the nature of his relationship with Hemmings.   While most agree now on evidence of the paternity,  I think the rape part remains conjectural. 

Edit:  fucking auto-correct

I think the issue would be the impossibility of mutual consent in a sexual relationship with someone you own.

I get that.   I'd be reluctant to jump into that issue with a narrative of Tom and Sally and their deep mutual romantic love.   If rape is defined as a sex act with any sort of coercion, vs the older definition as a violent assault, then Echo may be right.   
 

[Yankguy1]

I'd change the name of all military bases named after Confederate military leaders.  The only one I might keep is Fort Bragg which is named after perhaps the most incompetent general to ever wear a uniform.  I think changing that name to Fort Bragg-Trump makes sense.

While it is true that Braxton Bragg contributed immeasurably to the Union success in the west, fairness compels me to note that during WW II there was also a Fort Burnside.

Confederates did not claim a monopoly on incompetent generals.  There were legion on both sides.  While Burnside wasn't much of a General he did leave a lasting impact on American society.

 

[Hairy Lime]

I'd change the name of all military bases named after Confederate military leaders.  The only one I might keep is Fort Bragg which is named after perhaps the most incompetent general to ever wear a uniform.  I think changing that name to Fort Bragg-Trump makes sense.

While it is true that Braxton Bragg contributed immeasurably to the Union success in the west, fairness compels me to note that during WW II there was also a Fort Burnside.

Confederates did not claim a monopoly on incompetent generals.  There were legion on both sides.  While Burnside wasn't much of a General he did leave a lasting impact on American society.

Yes, that was seriously influential facial hair.

[Hamilton Samuels]

“Don't you think we have a responsibility to be considerate of each other's thoughts and feelings, if we expect others to be considerate of our thoughts, feelings?

Not to go all Miss Manners on you, but it's my contention that your message is clouded or enhanced by the manner in which you deliver it, and that would be indeed be your "problem", it in fact you truly wish to be heard.”

Considerate?

How do you politely utter a primal scream?

A deranged man is burning down the theater.   But let's discuss the etiquette of how to quietly fold our popcorn boxes and properly dispose of.

Just so I'm clear. I am only talking about discussion here.