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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

Motherfucker throws his own state under the bus to suck up to the great and powerful Trump!

https://www.lancastercourier.com/2020/08/21/jim-jordan-tosses-his-own-state-under-the-bus-by-saying-he-supports-trumps-boycott-of-goodyear/

[facilitatorn]

Meanwhile...

I’ve been telling kiid and RED for years the Republicans are a bunch of grifters and their supporters are

SUCKERS!

https://www.newsweek.com/former-donors-bannons-border-wall-crowdfund-say-they-feel-sick-over-where-money-went-1526517

Bannon’s vics don’t have all that much reason to be upset. The way the money got spent did exactly  as much to stem the tide of immigration as anything that actually got built on the southern border through public or private means.

[kiidcarter8]

Meanwhile...

I’ve been telling kiid and RED for years the Republicans are a bunch of grifters and their supporters are

SUCKERS!

https://www.newsweek.com/former-donors-bannons-border-wall-crowdfund-say-they-feel-sick-over-where-money-went-1526517

Wording from this piece - quite tough to prove - though Newsweek runs with it as if they are dead sure going to prison for 20+

[josh]

Meanwhile...

I’ve been telling kiid and RED for years the Republicans are a bunch of grifters and their supporters are

SUCKERS!

https://www.newsweek.com/former-donors-bannons-border-wall-crowdfund-say-they-feel-sick-over-where-money-went-1526517

Wording from this piece - quite tough to prove - though Newsweek runs with it as if they are dead sure going to prison for 20+

What is quite tough to prove?

How they spent the money is pretty trivial to prove, Kid.

How they did not spend the money is also pretty trivial to prove.

And that this is not what the folks who donated money expected would be done with it, similarly, is easy to prove. (Just look at the website!)

[REDSTATEWARD]

Thanks for that Hayes-Tilden article,  Josh.   Fascinating.  And that kind of deal with the devil only fucks up the nation for a century or so,  right?

The deal with the devil was that it took that long before somebody took that much advantage of the system. What we are seeing today is just another of the thoroughly predictable aspects of the Constitution.

The Articles of Confederacy had their own issues, but were not vulnerable to this kind of power grabbing demagoguery. Thomas Jefferson demonstrated quite ably just how easy it was for a Chief Executive under the Constitution to ignore its limits so long as Congress would go along with him and the Courts were not called upon. Andrew Jackson demonstrated that even when the Court's authority was summoned, if the Chief Executive chose not to heed it and the Senate would do nothing, the Justices were impotent even if they chose not to be blind.

Of course, they chose to be blind sufficiently frequently along the way that relying on them has seemed pretty futile too much of the time, anyway. ( Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu v. United States, Chae Chan Ping v. United States, McCleskey v. Kemp, Kelo v. City of New London, Bennis v. Michigan... and that's without getting into Citizens United or Berghuis v. Thompkins or Gore v. Bush.) (At least Dred Scott and Plessy have been reversed. Korematsu has been declared bad law, yet its practices seem to be allowed to continue. I suspect that under this Court that Buck would pass again, depending upon the population being involuntarily sterilized. Ditto Chae Chan Ping.)

But... the practices that brought us President Hayes are almost demanded of a "true patriot," who believes that only one individual can save the nation.

The great Compromise that gave Hayes the White House was a disaster for black Americans. The democrats’ condition was the end of Reconstruction and complete democrat rule of the southern states. (Which Hayes consented to) It proved to be disastrous for Southern blacks. Their vote was suppressed, racism flourished, so did the KKK, And Jim Crow eventually came into power. 
That’s a chapter of the story you neglected.

[josh]

Thanks for that Hayes-Tilden article,  Josh.   Fascinating.  And that kind of deal with the devil only fucks up the nation for a century or so,  right?

The deal with the devil was that it took that long before somebody took that much advantage of the system. What we are seeing today is just another of the thoroughly predictable aspects of the Constitution.

The Articles of Confederacy had their own issues, but were not vulnerable to this kind of power grabbing demagoguery. Thomas Jefferson demonstrated quite ably just how easy it was for a Chief Executive under the Constitution to ignore its limits so long as Congress would go along with him and the Courts were not called upon. Andrew Jackson demonstrated that even when the Court's authority was summoned, if the Chief Executive chose not to heed it and the Senate would do nothing, the Justices were impotent even if they chose not to be blind.

Of course, they chose to be blind sufficiently frequently along the way that relying on them has seemed pretty futile too much of the time, anyway. ( Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu v. United States, Chae Chan Ping v. United States, McCleskey v. Kemp, Kelo v. City of New London, Bennis v. Michigan... and that's without getting into Citizens United or Berghuis v. Thompkins or Gore v. Bush.) (At least Dred Scott and Plessy have been reversed. Korematsu has been declared bad law, yet its practices seem to be allowed to continue. I suspect that under this Court that Buck would pass again, depending upon the population being involuntarily sterilized. Ditto Chae Chan Ping.)

But... the practices that brought us President Hayes are almost demanded of a "true patriot," who believes that only one individual can save the nation.

The great Compromise that gave Hayes the White House was a disaster for black Americans. The democrats’ condition was the end of Reconstruction and complete democrat rule of the southern states. (Which Hayes consented to) It proved to be disastrous for Southern blacks. Their vote was suppressed, racism flourished, so did the KKK, And Jim Crow eventually came into power. 
That’s a chapter of the story you neglected.

So true.

And just as pertinent to this election. If Trump gets himself re-installed as president through machinations by the GOP, it will be disastrous for Blacks all over the country, among others.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Thanks for that Hayes-Tilden article,  Josh.   Fascinating.  And that kind of deal with the devil only fucks up the nation for a century or so,  right?

The deal with the devil was that it took that long before somebody took that much advantage of the system. What we are seeing today is just another of the thoroughly predictable aspects of the Constitution.

The Articles of Confederacy had their own issues, but were not vulnerable to this kind of power grabbing demagoguery. Thomas Jefferson demonstrated quite ably just how easy it was for a Chief Executive under the Constitution to ignore its limits so long as Congress would go along with him and the Courts were not called upon. Andrew Jackson demonstrated that even when the Court's authority was summoned, if the Chief Executive chose not to heed it and the Senate would do nothing, the Justices were impotent even if they chose not to be blind.

Of course, they chose to be blind sufficiently frequently along the way that relying on them has seemed pretty futile too much of the time, anyway. ( Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu v. United States, Chae Chan Ping v. United States, McCleskey v. Kemp, Kelo v. City of New London, Bennis v. Michigan... and that's without getting into Citizens United or Berghuis v. Thompkins or Gore v. Bush.) (At least Dred Scott and Plessy have been reversed. Korematsu has been declared bad law, yet its practices seem to be allowed to continue. I suspect that under this Court that Buck would pass again, depending upon the population being involuntarily sterilized. Ditto Chae Chan Ping.)

But... the practices that brought us President Hayes are almost demanded of a "true patriot," who believes that only one individual can save the nation.

The great Compromise that gave Hayes the White House was a disaster for black Americans. The democrats’ condition was the end of Reconstruction and complete democrat rule of the southern states. (Which Hayes consented to) It proved to be disastrous for Southern blacks. Their vote was suppressed, racism flourished, so did the KKK, And Jim Crow eventually came into power. 
That’s a chapter of the story you neglected.

So true.

And just as pertinent to this election. If Trump gets himself re-installed as president through machinations by the GOP, it will be disastrous for Blacks all over the country, among others.

Funny.
Trump’s policies benefitted black employment more than any other minority group.
Until the Governors locked down the country , that is.
Joe Biden says he would do it again.(even though he has no power to do so)
Why would a black vote for Biden?

[barton]

Ketamine that's injected during arrests draws new scrutiny

I wasn't aware that police were drugging suspects during arrests.
Spooky.

Police should not,  under any circumstances, be directing the administration of drugs to anyone.   Unless they happen onto someone in severe diabetic ketoacidosis,  and there is insulin available.  And even then,  a paramedic should make that call and administer.

That is fucking outrageous.

How about Narcan, moron?

Just let the OD victim die?

Try reading what's actually being said and quit trying to score points.  Obviously, there are a couple exceptions, and antidotes would be such a case.  That's why I mentioned ketoacidosis.   With a paramedic taking charge. 

 Real conversation involves understanding what's being said,  not name-calling out of ignorance.   

Giving a psychoactive drug that was originally a horse tranquilizer does not really fit the exceptions, and its critical dosing (due to its potency) makes it more dangerous.   AS THE ARTICLE I BOTHERED TO READ MADE CLEAR.

[josh]

Thanks for that Hayes-Tilden article,  Josh.   Fascinating.  And that kind of deal with the devil only fucks up the nation for a century or so,  right?

The deal with the devil was that it took that long before somebody took that much advantage of the system. What we are seeing today is just another of the thoroughly predictable aspects of the Constitution.

The Articles of Confederacy had their own issues, but were not vulnerable to this kind of power grabbing demagoguery. Thomas Jefferson demonstrated quite ably just how easy it was for a Chief Executive under the Constitution to ignore its limits so long as Congress would go along with him and the Courts were not called upon. Andrew Jackson demonstrated that even when the Court's authority was summoned, if the Chief Executive chose not to heed it and the Senate would do nothing, the Justices were impotent even if they chose not to be blind.

Of course, they chose to be blind sufficiently frequently along the way that relying on them has seemed pretty futile too much of the time, anyway. ( Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu v. United States, Chae Chan Ping v. United States, McCleskey v. Kemp, Kelo v. City of New London, Bennis v. Michigan... and that's without getting into Citizens United or Berghuis v. Thompkins or Gore v. Bush.) (At least Dred Scott and Plessy have been reversed. Korematsu has been declared bad law, yet its practices seem to be allowed to continue. I suspect that under this Court that Buck would pass again, depending upon the population being involuntarily sterilized. Ditto Chae Chan Ping.)

But... the practices that brought us President Hayes are almost demanded of a "true patriot," who believes that only one individual can save the nation.

The great Compromise that gave Hayes the White House was a disaster for black Americans. The democrats’ condition was the end of Reconstruction and complete democrat rule of the southern states. (Which Hayes consented to) It proved to be disastrous for Southern blacks. Their vote was suppressed, racism flourished, so did the KKK, And Jim Crow eventually came into power. 
That’s a chapter of the story you neglected.

So true.

And just as pertinent to this election. If Trump gets himself re-installed as president through machinations by the GOP, it will be disastrous for Blacks all over the country, among others.

Funny.
Trump’s policies benefitted black employment more than any other minority group.
Until the Governors locked down the country , that is.
Joe Biden says he would do it again.(even though he has no power to do so)
Why would a black vote for Biden?

Because there is so much more to life than employment, Ward, and Trump was bad for discrimination and racism in this country. (Even though you deny it.)

And Blacks were (and are being) hurt far worse by the failure to lock down than anybody else. They value their lives and their families' lives more than income.

Why would they vote for Trump?!

[barton]

Thanks for that Hayes-Tilden article,  Josh.   Fascinating.  And that kind of deal with the devil only fucks up the nation for a century or so,  right?

The deal with the devil was that it took that long before somebody took that much advantage of the system. What we are seeing today is just another of the thoroughly predictable aspects of the Constitution.

The Articles of Confederacy had their own issues, but were not vulnerable to this kind of power grabbing demagoguery. Thomas Jefferson demonstrated quite ably just how easy it was for a Chief Executive under the Constitution to ignore its limits so long as Congress would go along with him and the Courts were not called upon. Andrew Jackson demonstrated that even when the Court's authority was summoned, if the Chief Executive chose not to heed it and the Senate would do nothing, the Justices were impotent even if they chose not to be blind.

Of course, they chose to be blind sufficiently frequently along the way that relying on them has seemed pretty futile too much of the time, anyway. ( Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu v. United States, Chae Chan Ping v. United States, McCleskey v. Kemp, Kelo v. City of New London, Bennis v. Michigan... and that's without getting into Citizens United or Berghuis v. Thompkins or Gore v. Bush.) (At least Dred Scott and Plessy have been reversed. Korematsu has been declared bad law, yet its practices seem to be allowed to continue. I suspect that under this Court that Buck would pass again, depending upon the population being involuntarily sterilized. Ditto Chae Chan Ping.)

But... the practices that brought us President Hayes are almost demanded of a "true patriot," who believes that only one individual can save the nation.

The great Compromise that gave Hayes the White House was a disaster for black Americans. The democrats’ condition was the end of Reconstruction and complete democrat rule of the southern states. (Which Hayes consented to) It proved to be disastrous for Southern blacks. Their vote was suppressed, racism flourished, so did the KKK, And Jim Crow eventually came into power. 
That’s a chapter of the story you neglected.

But which THE ARTICLE JOSH POSTED DISCUSSED IN SOME DETAIL.   TRY READING.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Ketamine that's injected during arrests draws new scrutiny

I wasn't aware that police were drugging suspects during arrests.
Spooky.

Police should not,  under any circumstances, be directing the administration of drugs to anyone.   Unless they happen onto someone in severe diabetic ketoacidosis,  and there is insulin available.  And even then,  a paramedic should make that call and administer.

That is fucking outrageous.

How about Narcan, moron?

Just let the OD victim die?

Try reading what's actually being said and quit trying to score points.  Obviously, there are a couple exceptions, and antidotes would be such a case.  That's why I mentioned ketoacidosis.   With a paramedic taking charge. 

 Real conversation involves understanding what's being said,  not name-calling out of ignorance.   

Giving a psychoactive drug that was originally a horse tranquilizer does not really fit the exceptions, and its critical dosing (due to its potency) makes it more dangerous.   AS THE ARTICLE I BOTHERED TO READ MADE CLEAR.

LOL!

[REDSTATEWARD]

Thanks for that Hayes-Tilden article,  Josh.   Fascinating.  And that kind of deal with the devil only fucks up the nation for a century or so,  right?

The deal with the devil was that it took that long before somebody took that much advantage of the system. What we are seeing today is just another of the thoroughly predictable aspects of the Constitution.

The Articles of Confederacy had their own issues, but were not vulnerable to this kind of power grabbing demagoguery. Thomas Jefferson demonstrated quite ably just how easy it was for a Chief Executive under the Constitution to ignore its limits so long as Congress would go along with him and the Courts were not called upon. Andrew Jackson demonstrated that even when the Court's authority was summoned, if the Chief Executive chose not to heed it and the Senate would do nothing, the Justices were impotent even if they chose not to be blind.

Of course, they chose to be blind sufficiently frequently along the way that relying on them has seemed pretty futile too much of the time, anyway. ( Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu v. United States, Chae Chan Ping v. United States, McCleskey v. Kemp, Kelo v. City of New London, Bennis v. Michigan... and that's without getting into Citizens United or Berghuis v. Thompkins or Gore v. Bush.) (At least Dred Scott and Plessy have been reversed. Korematsu has been declared bad law, yet its practices seem to be allowed to continue. I suspect that under this Court that Buck would pass again, depending upon the population being involuntarily sterilized. Ditto Chae Chan Ping.)

But... the practices that brought us President Hayes are almost demanded of a "true patriot," who believes that only one individual can save the nation.

The great Compromise that gave Hayes the White House was a disaster for black Americans. The democrats’ condition was the end of Reconstruction and complete democrat rule of the southern states. (Which Hayes consented to) It proved to be disastrous for Southern blacks. Their vote was suppressed, racism flourished, so did the KKK, And Jim Crow eventually came into power. 
That’s a chapter of the story you neglected.

But which THE ARTICLE JOSH POSTED DISCUSSED IN SOME DETAIL.   TRY READING.

Except it didn’t. 

[REDSTATEWARD]

Thanks for that Hayes-Tilden article,  Josh.   Fascinating.  And that kind of deal with the devil only fucks up the nation for a century or so,  right?

The deal with the devil was that it took that long before somebody took that much advantage of the system. What we are seeing today is just another of the thoroughly predictable aspects of the Constitution.

The Articles of Confederacy had their own issues, but were not vulnerable to this kind of power grabbing demagoguery. Thomas Jefferson demonstrated quite ably just how easy it was for a Chief Executive under the Constitution to ignore its limits so long as Congress would go along with him and the Courts were not called upon. Andrew Jackson demonstrated that even when the Court's authority was summoned, if the Chief Executive chose not to heed it and the Senate would do nothing, the Justices were impotent even if they chose not to be blind.

Of course, they chose to be blind sufficiently frequently along the way that relying on them has seemed pretty futile too much of the time, anyway. ( Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu v. United States, Chae Chan Ping v. United States, McCleskey v. Kemp, Kelo v. City of New London, Bennis v. Michigan... and that's without getting into Citizens United or Berghuis v. Thompkins or Gore v. Bush.) (At least Dred Scott and Plessy have been reversed. Korematsu has been declared bad law, yet its practices seem to be allowed to continue. I suspect that under this Court that Buck would pass again, depending upon the population being involuntarily sterilized. Ditto Chae Chan Ping.)

But... the practices that brought us President Hayes are almost demanded of a "true patriot," who believes that only one individual can save the nation.

The great Compromise that gave Hayes the White House was a disaster for black Americans. The democrats’ condition was the end of Reconstruction and complete democrat rule of the southern states. (Which Hayes consented to) It proved to be disastrous for Southern blacks. Their vote was suppressed, racism flourished, so did the KKK, And Jim Crow eventually came into power. 
That’s a chapter of the story you neglected.

So true.

And just as pertinent to this election. If Trump gets himself re-installed as president through machinations by the GOP, it will be disastrous for Blacks all over the country, among others.

Funny.
Trump’s policies benefitted black employment more than any other minority group.
Until the Governors locked down the country , that is.
Joe Biden says he would do it again.(even though he has no power to do so)
Why would a black vote for Biden?

Because there is so much more to life than employment, Ward, and Trump was bad for discrimination and racism in this country. (Even though you deny it.)

And you can’t make a case for it.  There is much more to life than employment? Without a job no one has hope to better their lives. I doubt you thought that one through 

And Blacks were (and are being) hurt far worse by the failure to lock down than anybody else. They value their lives and their families' lives more than income.

Really?  You speaking for the blacks that suffered from denial of treatment, tests,and medical attention for non- Covid matters during the lockdowns? You can’t be serious.

Why would they vote for Trump?!

Jobs.
It is amazing that in the just completed democrat Convention Biden/Harris were silent on jobs.
It is not surprising that the Convention Bounce for Biden/Harris was zero.

[LarryBnDC]

Meanwhile...

I’ve been telling kiid and RED for years the Republicans are a bunch of grifters and their supporters are

SUCKERS!

https://www.newsweek.com/former-donors-bannons-border-wall-crowdfund-say-they-feel-sick-over-where-money-went-1526517

Wording from this piece - quite tough to prove - though Newsweek runs with it as if they are dead sure going to prison for 20+

This is a paper case.

Wife says it’s a ground ball.

[josh]

Thanks for that Hayes-Tilden article,  Josh.   Fascinating.  And that kind of deal with the devil only fucks up the nation for a century or so,  right?

The deal with the devil was that it took that long before somebody took that much advantage of the system. What we are seeing today is just another of the thoroughly predictable aspects of the Constitution.

The Articles of Confederacy had their own issues, but were not vulnerable to this kind of power grabbing demagoguery. Thomas Jefferson demonstrated quite ably just how easy it was for a Chief Executive under the Constitution to ignore its limits so long as Congress would go along with him and the Courts were not called upon. Andrew Jackson demonstrated that even when the Court's authority was summoned, if the Chief Executive chose not to heed it and the Senate would do nothing, the Justices were impotent even if they chose not to be blind.

Of course, they chose to be blind sufficiently frequently along the way that relying on them has seemed pretty futile too much of the time, anyway. ( Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu v. United States, Chae Chan Ping v. United States, McCleskey v. Kemp, Kelo v. City of New London, Bennis v. Michigan... and that's without getting into Citizens United or Berghuis v. Thompkins or Gore v. Bush.) (At least Dred Scott and Plessy have been reversed. Korematsu has been declared bad law, yet its practices seem to be allowed to continue. I suspect that under this Court that Buck would pass again, depending upon the population being involuntarily sterilized. Ditto Chae Chan Ping.)

But... the practices that brought us President Hayes are almost demanded of a "true patriot," who believes that only one individual can save the nation.

The great Compromise that gave Hayes the White House was a disaster for black Americans. The democrats’ condition was the end of Reconstruction and complete democrat rule of the southern states. (Which Hayes consented to) It proved to be disastrous for Southern blacks. Their vote was suppressed, racism flourished, so did the KKK, And Jim Crow eventually came into power. 
That’s a chapter of the story you neglected.

So true.

And just as pertinent to this election. If Trump gets himself re-installed as president through machinations by the GOP, it will be disastrous for Blacks all over the country, among others.

Funny.
Trump’s policies benefitted black employment more than any other minority group.
Until the Governors locked down the country , that is.
Joe Biden says he would do it again.(even though he has no power to do so)
Why would a black vote for Biden?

Because there is so much more to life than employment, Ward, and Trump was bad for discrimination and racism in this country. (Even though you deny it.)

And you can’t make a case for it.  There is much more to life than employment? Without a job no one has hope to better their lives. I doubt you thought that one through 

And Blacks were (and are being) hurt far worse by the failure to lock down than anybody else. They value their lives and their families' lives more than income.

Really?  You speaking for the blacks that suffered from denial of treatment, tests,and medical attention for non- Covid matters during the lockdowns? You can’t be serious.

Why would they vote for Trump?!

Jobs.
It is amazing that in the just completed democrat Convention Biden/Harris were silent on jobs.
It is not surprising that the Convention Bounce for Biden/Harris was zero.

And we are back to the same old Ward who denies things many times over proven.

If your theory of race were even close to reality, Bernie Sanders would have been the 2016 nominee and/or the 2020 nominee.

Biden wasn't silent on jobs. You were deaf to what he said.

It is not just COVID, Ward. It is our entire medical system that suffers from racism. Nor is it just the medical system - criminal justice, housing, employment, education... you name it and it's got systemic racism.