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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[josh]

The Huckster-in-Chief:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1299795007923261442

And I love the way they handle wearing masks around him. (By "love" I mean hate, by the way.)

[bodiddley]

Now Black people are being massacred in Chicago etc...by other Black people.

Only those that die at the hands of someone in uniform matter to BLM masses.

Don’t equate murders by criminals with murder at the hands of those who are sworn protect and serve.
Otherwise the cops are just another gang.

Yeah, society takes a lot of action and spends a lot of money and effort trying to prevent murders and violence and catch criminals who do so.  It's called the police.  The problem and issue BLM is addressing is who is policing the police.

And don't think community groups and Black people don't want the police to be more effective, better trained and stop the murders as much as possible.  But also stop acting like a gang with impunity harassing and abusing black folks, and occasionally killing them.  The police are people who have been trained and we are paying to keep us safe.  They shouldn't be a threat.  They shouldn't shoot wildly and pump bullets into people posing no threat.

Maybe after the police stop harassing and abusing black people and there are effective methods of holding police to account for their actions, BLM and the police can work together on reducing crime and murders.  Be nice if the police were actually a force serving and protecting the community who could trust and work together with them.  Instead in too many places the police are just an out of control gang, using arbitrary enforcement and violence, with racists and corrupt cops within their ranks, and a union system and institution that will shield them no matter what.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.salon.com/2020/08/29/proving-a-different-world-is-possible-exxonmobil-dropped-from-dow-jones-after-92-year-run_partner/

http://keepamericagreat.com/

[bodiddley]

Belarus cracking down hard on journalists these days, including expelling foreign media, blocking domestic websites, etc.  Whether it's a prelude to a military crackdown or just incremental authoritarian pressure remains to be seen.  Wouldn't be surprised if a military crackdown is being readied.

[kidcarter8]

Now Black people are being massacred in Chicago etc...by other Black people.

Only those that die at the hands of someone in uniform matter to BLM masses.

Don’t equate murders by criminals with murder at the hands of those who are sworn protect and serve.
Otherwise the cops are just another gang.

Yeah, society takes a lot of action and spends a lot of money and effort trying to prevent murders and violence and catch criminals who do so.  It's called the police.  The problem and issue BLM is addressing is who is policing the police.

And don't think community groups and Black people don't want the police to be more effective, better trained and stop the murders as much as possible.  But also stop acting like a gang with impunity harassing and abusing black folks, and occasionally killing them.  The police are people who have been trained and we are paying to keep us safe.  They shouldn't be a threat.  They shouldn't shoot wildly and pump bullets into people posing no threat.

Maybe after the police stop harassing and abusing black people and there are effective methods of holding police to account for their actions, BLM and the police can work together on reducing crime and murders.  Be nice if the police were actually a force serving and protecting the community who could trust and work together with them.  Instead in too many places the police are just an out of control gang, using arbitrary enforcement and violence, with racists and corrupt cops within their ranks, and a union system and institution that will shield them no matter what.

Harassment?

Would that include trying to arrest a guy with a felony warrant?  Would that include tasing a guy who put you in a headlock?  Would that INCLUDE showing up when a citizen called for help?

Yeah - all that in Kenosha.

Good morning, all.  Let's make some better sense today.

[Yankguy1]

Now Black people are being massacred in Chicago etc...by other Black people.

Only those that die at the hands of someone in uniform matter to BLM masses.

Don’t equate murders by criminals with murder at the hands of those who are sworn protect and serve.
Otherwise the cops are just another gang.

Yeah, society takes a lot of action and spends a lot of money and effort trying to prevent murders and violence and catch criminals who do so.  It's called the police.  The problem and issue BLM is addressing is who is policing the police.

And don't think community groups and Black people don't want the police to be more effective, better trained and stop the murders as much as possible.  But also stop acting like a gang with impunity harassing and abusing black folks, and occasionally killing them.  The police are people who have been trained and we are paying to keep us safe.  They shouldn't be a threat.  They shouldn't shoot wildly and pump bullets into people posing no threat.

Maybe after the police stop harassing and abusing black people and there are effective methods of holding police to account for their actions, BLM and the police can work together on reducing crime and murders.  Be nice if the police were actually a force serving and protecting the community who could trust and work together with them.  Instead in too many places the police are just an out of control gang, using arbitrary enforcement and violence, with racists and corrupt cops within their ranks, and a union system and institution that will shield them no matter what.

Harassment?

Would that include trying to arrest a guy with a felony warrant?  Would that include tasing a guy who put you in a headlock?  Would that INCLUDE showing up when a citizen called for help?

Yeah - all that in Kenosha.

Good morning, all.  Let's make some better sense today.

Glad to hear you're taking the day off. You've earned it.

[LarryBnDC]

Now Black people are being massacred in Chicago etc...by other Black people.

Only those that die at the hands of someone in uniform matter to BLM masses.

Don’t equate murders by criminals with murder at the hands of those who are sworn protect and serve.
Otherwise the cops are just another gang.

Yeah, society takes a lot of action and spends a lot of money and effort trying to prevent murders and violence and catch criminals who do so.  It's called the police.  The problem and issue BLM is addressing is who is policing the police.

And don't think community groups and Black people don't want the police to be more effective, better trained and stop the murders as much as possible.  But also stop acting like a gang with impunity harassing and abusing black folks, and occasionally killing them.  The police are people who have been trained and we are paying to keep us safe.  They shouldn't be a threat.  They shouldn't shoot wildly and pump bullets into people posing no threat.

Maybe after the police stop harassing and abusing black people and there are effective methods of holding police to account for their actions, BLM and the police can work together on reducing crime and murders.  Be nice if the police were actually a force serving and protecting the community who could trust and work together with them.  Instead in too many places the police are just an out of control gang, using arbitrary enforcement and violence, with racists and corrupt cops within their ranks, and a union system and institution that will shield them no matter what.

Harassment?

Would that include trying to arrest a guy with a felony warrant?  Would that include tasing a guy who put you in a headlock?  Would that INCLUDE showing up when a citizen called for help?

Yeah - all that in Kenosha.

Good morning, all.  Let's make some better sense today.

Harassment?

Just shut the fuck up.

[LarryBnDC]

God Sunday.morning...


Some folks are starting to wake up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKpI2druuAsgqyV9CkrxvwhxzgycG6XmYzTtjQFsgmlJ2wdw1iNRAlzptXw93b1jY2QIpjQzyT4cMUHsnr9yr_cEawkOoA&feature=emb_logo&v=V9X-u3YM2qw

[oilcan]

Yup.   "The devil's greatest trick was making us believe he doesn't exist. "

[oilcan]

Nick K today....

  It’s true that there has been violence and looting in some American cities, and this is a genuine challenge to order and economic recovery. But by any objective measure the bigger risk comes from right-wing extremists.

“Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years,” the Center for Strategic & International Studies concluded after examining terror plots in the United States from 1994 to May of this year. “Right-wing extremists perpetrated two-thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.”

The anti-fascist protesters known as antifa have committed violent acts but aren’t known to have ever killed anyone, while right-wing extremists have killed hundreds. Just a few days ago, a Trump supporter, Kyle H. Rittenhouse, allegedly shot two protesters dead in Kenosha, Wis. One can’t help wondering if Rittenhouse, an impressionable 17-year-old living in Illinois, was galvanized to take a gun and drive to Kenosha because of panic promoted by Trump and Fox News.... 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/opinion/sunday/trump-protests-law.html

I hit no paywall,  reading this.   

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/tech/internet-outage-cloudflare/index.html

If any of you bumped into this site or RCP or many others being down today, this is part of what was behind it. If there was more, we don't know it yet.

[LarryBnDC]

Nick K today....

  It’s true that there has been violence and looting in some American cities, and this is a genuine challenge to order and economic recovery. But by any objective measure the bigger risk comes from right-wing extremists.

“Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years,” the Center for Strategic & International Studies concluded after examining terror plots in the United States from 1994 to May of this year. “Right-wing extremists perpetrated two-thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.”

The anti-fascist protesters known as antifa have committed violent acts but aren’t known to have ever killed anyone, while right-wing extremists have killed hundreds. Just a few days ago, a Trump supporter, Kyle H. Rittenhouse, allegedly shot two protesters dead in Kenosha, Wis. One can’t help wondering if Rittenhouse, an impressionable 17-year-old living in Illinois, was galvanized to take a gun and drive to Kenosha because of panic promoted by Trump and Fox News.... 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/opinion/sunday/trump-protests-law.html

I hit no paywall,  reading this.

Back in the days of COINTELPRO in many instances the most radical of the local activists were actually infiltrators and informants.

[LarryBnDC]

The NBA players strike was led by the players of the Milwaukee Bucks.

In the video, the tension between Brown, who is black, and the officer, who is white, feels immediate. The officer, while asking for Brown’s driver’s license, also instructs the Bucks player to step back. An order he makes clearer by pushing the 6-foot-6 guard backward. Brown asks the officer not to push him, and the situation escalates as the officer asks, “You don’t see the issue here?”

And it is right then that anyone watching the video knows this isn’t going to be a quick parking ticket.

Within minutes of the officer first encountering Brown, three additional police vehicles arrive at the Walgreens parking lot, bringing at least six more officers as backup. While speaking with a few of the officers, Brown’s hands go into his sweatshirt (he had his hands in and out of his pockets minutes earlier when the car alarm went off repeatedly) and an officer yells, “Take your hands out of your pocket, now!” and before Brown can react, he is swarmed and tackled by five of the officers. As Brown lay on the ground, one officer yells, “Taser! Taser! Taser!” and the next thing you hear is Brown growling in pain as jolts of electricity flow through his body.


https://theundefeated.com/features/bucks-guard-sterling-brown-milwaukee-police/

[josh]

The NBA players strike was led by the players of the Milwaukee Bucks.

It's always suspicious when the police refuse to release the bodycam footage for an extended period of time. And it almost always means that the police officers' public statements about what happened are not going to be backed up by what the public sees.

Because police lie. They don't lie every time they open their mouths - that would be the president of the United States. But they lie whenever they have acted inappropriately, like every bully that ever lived, when caught. Like almost every thief who ever lived.

They almost never say, until the video is out or about to come out, how dreadfully sorry they are, how badly they screwed up - and most of the exceptions are when it was a movie star, a public official, or other person of social significance to the public. Even then, it's not common, just possible.

They felt their lives were in danger, they explain. He looked like he was reaching for a gun. I thought he had a knife. He was reaching for my gun. He stole my badge and wallet!

And the response of "well, he shouldn't have broken the law" makes so much sense. "He broke the law by parking wrong. We should assault him." "He talked back after I pushed him. He deserves punishment."

And part of what terrifies me is that we have upper level police defending their charges' actions even after the truth comes out, not just here or there. An outspoken sheriff in the south has explained that it is not police who need retraining, but the public. He's Black. And he's angry on behalf of the poor beleaguered police being told they need to stop shooting unarmed Black folks.

It's a racial problem, but as I have said once or twice, it is not only a racial problem. It is a power problem, a police problem. And it is national, at a minimum.

[josh]

Walking while Black.

This is from 5 years ago, but it tells all kinds of tales of what it is like for somebody stopped for no good reason. Yes, no good reason, because other than his color and his height, he did not look like the guy described. And they could have checked his story fast, but chose not to.

https://www.stevelocke.com/blog/i-fit-the-description

The thing that a couple of you refuse to get is that it is like this all the time and all over the country. And no, Bambi, the response is not to stay at home, to be unable to do your jobs. The response is to reform the police system.

Wealth is not protection. Work is not protection. Innocence is not protection. Bodycams are not protection, though they have helped in getting some police canned who should be and in getting the public more aware of reality. But the police are too inured to their approaches for the cameras to check their initial reactions, then once in not enough to stop it.

Fame sometimes serves as an interrupt. Sometimes, but so fucking what?! Why should it need an interrupt of an action that was wrong when it started?!

If Blacks have to do everything every police officer says every time no matter what, then no Black has civil rights.

And if they have no civil rights, then neither do I.

And neither do you.